2001 Dodge Durango Transmission will not shift past 2nd gea

Tiny
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2001 Dodge Durango V8 Four Wheel Drive Automatic 69450 miles

Hey, I have the 45rfe that when it tries to shift past 2nd just revs engine. I have a code, that is P0733, gear 3 incorrect ratio. Anyway I dropped oil pan, and found the OD accumulator piston laying there. When I dropped the valve body I saw that all the bolts for the Accum plate were loose, and had bent plate back. I installed a shift kit replacing all seals and accum plate. However, when I put everything back together, I still have same problem. Also, pan was totally clean no metal, nothing and oil was ok. I dont know where to go from here. Took to shop, and his guess was valve body problem. Help!

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Saturday, August 21st, 2010 AT 8:17 AM

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Hi freegb1,

Thank you for the donation.

In 3rd speed, the elements in use are the Underdrive and Overdrive clutches.

Is the trouble code still the same?

Under drive clutch is used by 1st and 2nd speed as well so you have a possible OD clutch or its pressure lines.

Was the OD accumulator piston damaged when it dropped off?
You would need to perform a line pressure test for the OD clutch to confirm the line pressure. Special tools would be required.

You can perform a clutch pressure test to confirm if the clutch is operating correctly.

CLUTCH AIR PRESSURE TESTS
Test Preparation
Remove valve body.

CAUTION:Ensure air supply is free of all dirt and moisture.

Test Procedure
Apply 30 psi (2.1 kg/cm2 ) of air pressure to each test passage. See Fig. 5 . If clutch is functioning properly, a soft thump should be heard as clutch is applied. Clutch application can also be felt by touching the appropriate element while applying air pressure. As air pressure is released, clutch should also release. By comparing road test, hydraulic pressure test and clutch air pressure test information, area of fault may be closely identified.


http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_AirPressureTest01DurangoFig05_1.jpg

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Saturday, August 21st, 2010 AT 11:17 AM
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Yes, the same code has been present both before and after repair, even after I disconnected battery during repair.

Also I inspected the piston closely, and didnt see any damage, as well all the other pistons when I replace the seals.

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Saturday, August 21st, 2010 AT 11:27 AM
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It could be a faulty valve body but it would be better to test the clutch with air pressure to confirm there is nothing wrong with them.

When 3rd clutch is not engaging, the code would come up. If there are other trouble codes, they have to be checked as well.

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Saturday, August 21st, 2010 AT 11:43 AM
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Ok, as soon as I saw your post, I went out and dropped pan and VB again. I tested every port, and I had the thump you described at every one except rev(which just spewed fluid everywhere, not sure if result is typical), and when I applied pressure to the OD port, a metal ring moved forward with the air, and moved back when released. I dont know if this what is supposed to happen.


http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/563850_pressure_check_1.jpg

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Saturday, August 21st, 2010 AT 1:20 PM
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To OD clutch seems to be good as the movement is what it should be doing when air pressure is applied but for the low reverse clutch, if fluids are spewing everywhere with no thumpimg noise to indicate the clutch is engaging, it indicates there is a leakage.

Retest the Low Rev clutch again to see if there is a thumping. Sometimes I there are excessive fluids, they might spew out a little but ensure a thumping noise is present.

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Saturday, August 21st, 2010 AT 1:40 PM
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Ok, I rechecked, and what happens when I apply pressure to the reverse clutch port, is that same object that moved forward with pressure to the OD port, moved to the reverse.
Also to be clear, the fluid mess was a result of the pressure around the tip of my air nozzle, not inside transmission

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Saturday, August 21st, 2010 AT 1:59 PM
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At least the clutches seems to be good so the next thing to do would be to test the pressure lines which requires special tools.
If you do not have the equipment to test, we will have to skip it first and proceed with the valve body checks. If you are able to get a valve body to test, that would be the best way to go about.

Did you check the accumulator valve springs for dfects/damage?

I believe you have a repair manual for the transmission?

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Saturday, August 21st, 2010 AT 10:38 PM
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I have the manual, I downloaded. As to the VB, when I put the shift kit in, I replaced all piston seals, replaced 4 springs, and inspected all parts before putting new accumulator plate on. The kit supplied the springs, so I replaced them. There was no damage to the old springs either.

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Sunday, August 22nd, 2010 AT 7:42 AM
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The problem now is either line pressure leakage or the valve body is not working correctly.

Was the valve body checked/disassembled?

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Sunday, August 22nd, 2010 AT 10:05 AM
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Ok, I was able to secure am entire VB with solenoid pack, but it wont be here for a couple days. Is there anything else I can check in reference to the line pressure while waiting for VB?

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Monday, August 23rd, 2010 AT 11:53 AM
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I have sent the line pressure test procedures to you. Special tools would be required so you might not be able to do it.

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Monday, August 23rd, 2010 AT 12:09 PM
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Ok, was able to get another VB, and I put it in, with same results, I really dont know where to go from here. I also got a P1787 code as well. I dont have to special tools to do line pressure test. Am I at the end of the line as to what I can do? And what are we looking at as worst case scenario?

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Friday, September 3rd, 2010 AT 3:33 PM
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Here are diagnostic procedures fr the code.

DTC P1787: OD HYDRAULIC PRESSURE SWITCH CIRCUIT

Circuit Description
After a shift into a forward gear and with engine speed greater than 1000 RPM, the TCM momentarily turns on element pressure to clutch circuits that don't have pressure to confirm the correct pressure switch closes. If pressure switch does not close 2 times, DTC P1787 will set.

Possible Cause
The following items may be area of concern:
" Open in transmission relay output circuit.
" Other line pressure-related DTCs present.
" Excessive debris in oil pan.
" Intermittent wiring and connector problems.
" Internal transmission problem (OD pressure test).
" Other speed ratio and/or pressure switch DTCs present.
" OD pressure switch sense circuit shorted to voltage, shorted to ground or open.
" Faulty line pressure sensor.
" Poor line pressure sensor connection.
" 5-volt supply circuit open or shorted to ground.
" Faulty TCM.
" Incorrect fluid level.

Diagnostic Procedure

1. Using scan tool, check for line pressure-related DTCs. If DTCs P1720, P1721, P1722, P1724 or P1791 are present, diagnose using appropriate test. If line pressure-related DTCs are not present, go to next step.

NOTE:
Consult manufacturer's warranty documentation (if applicable) prior to performing repairs. Replace transmission or solenoid/TRS assembly as required by current warranty policy.

2. Using scan tool, check for transmission-related DTCs P0733 and/or P1781. If any of these DTCs are present, replace solenoid/TRS assembly. If DTCs P0733 and/or P1781 are not present, go to next step.

3. Start engine. Warm transmission to at least 180 F (82 C). Apply brakes. While monitoring line pressure with scan tool, move gearshift lever through each gear position and record line pressure reading. Allow line pressure to stabilize for at least 5 seconds in each gear. If pressure remains steady at 85-95 psi (6.0-6.7 kg/cm
2 ) through entire procedure, go to next step. If pressure did not remain steady as specified, turn engine off and go to step 10.

4. Turn ignition on. While monitoring actual line pressure with scan tool, firmly push line pressure sensor harness connector toward transmission. If actual line pressure changes to about 30 psi (2.1 kg/cm 2 ), repair poor connection at line pressure sensor. If actual line pressure does not change, go to next step.

NOTE:
When comparing line pressure voltage readings with
transmission simulator and scan tool, voltage readings should be within.25 volt of each other.

5. Turn ignition switch to LOCK position. Remove starter relay from Power Distribution Center (PDC). Install Transmission Simulator (8333). Turn ignition on. While monitoring line pressure sensor voltage on scan tool, turn rotary knob on transmission simulator to all 3 line pressure positions. If line pressure sensor voltage remains steady while changing simulator knob position, go to next step. If line pressure sensor voltage does not remain steady while changing simulator knob position, go to step 9.

6. Turn ignition switch to LOCK position. Disconnect TCM and line pressure sensor harness connectors. Measure resistance of 5-volt supply circuit between TCM harness connector terminal No. 38 and line pressure sensor harness connector terminal No. 2. If resistance is greater than 5 ohms, repair open circuit. If resistance is 5 ohms or less, go to next step.

7. Measure resistance between ground and 5-volt supply circuit at TCM harness connector terminal No. 38. If resistance is less than 5 ohms, repair circuit for short to ground. If resistance is 5 ohms or greater, go to next step.

8. If no other potential causes for DTC P1787 remain, TCM is assumed to be faulty. Repair or replace as necessary.

9. The TCM and wiring are functioning properly. Replace line pressure sensor.

10. Ensure all harness connectors, wiring, oil cooler connections and fluid level are okay. Repair as necessary. Using scan tool, check STARTS SINCE SET counter. If counter displays 2 or less, go to next step. If counter does not display 2 or less, go to step 20.

11. Turn ignition switch to LOCK position. Remove starter relay from Power Distribution Center (PDC). Install Transmission Simulator (8333). Turn ignition on. Place pressure switch selector on OD. Monitor scan tool display while pressing switch test button and wiggling wire harness to TCM. If OD pressure switch state changes to CLOSED and remains closed while wiggling wire harness, go to next step. If operation was not as
specified, go to step 15.

NOTE:
Ensure transmission fluid is at normal operating temperature. Check and adjust fluid level as necessary. Fluid level may not show on dipstick if transmission temperature is less than 50 F (100 C), even though transmission has an adequate fluid level.

12. Ensure transmission is at normal operating temperature. Check fluid level. Fill as necessary and retest. If fluid level is okay, go to next step.

13. Remove transmission oil pan and inspect for excessive debris or contamination. Repair as necessary. If no debris is found, go to next step.

14. Transmission has an internal problem and must be replaced or repaired. If repairing transmission, ensure to inspect valve body and replace or repair as necessary. If valve body is okay, replace solenoid/TRS assembly.

15. Turn ignition switch to LOCK position. Disconnect TCM and solenoid/TRS assembly harness connectors. Measure resistance of OD pressure switch sense circuit between TCM harness connector terminal No. 9 and solenoid/TRS assembly harness connector terminal
No. 16. If resistance is greater than 5 ohms, repair open circuit. If resistance is 5 ohms or less, go to next step.

16. Measure resistance between ground and OD pressure switch sense circuit at TCM harness connector terminal No. 9. If resistance is less than 5 ohms, repair circuit for short to ground. If resistance is 5 ohms or greater, go to next step.

NOTE:
When testing output circuit with a test light, ensure test light illuminates brightly. Compare test light brightness of circuit to brightness of test light when connected to direct battery voltage. If circuit does not illuminate with same brightness as direct battery voltage, circuit must be repaired.

17. Connect test light between ground and transmission control relay output circuit at solenoid/TRS assembly harness connector terminal No. 10. Turn ignition on. If test light illuminates brightly, remove test light and go to next step. If test light does not illuminate brightly, repair open or high resistance in transmission control relay output circuit.

18. Turn ignition switch to LOCK position. Remove transmission control relay from Power Distribution Center (PDC). Using fused jumper wire, jumper fused B+ circuit (terminal No. 30) and transmission control relay output circuit (terminal No. 87) together at transmission control relay connector. Turn ignition on. Measure voltage between ground and OD pressure switch sense circuit at TCM harness connector terminal No. 9. If voltage is greater than one volt, repair circuit for short to voltage. If voltage is one volt or less, go to next step.

19. If no other potential causes for DTC P1787 remain, TCM is assumed to be faulty. Repair or replace as necessary.

20. Conditions necessary to set DTC are not present at this time. Using appropriate wiring diagram as a guide, inspect wiring and connectors associated with circuits in question. Wiggle wires while checking for shorted and open circuits. Repair as necessary. If circuits are okay, testing is complete.

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