2001 Dodge Caravan Heater Fan & radio intermitant

Tiny
BOBSCNC
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  • 2001 DODGE CARAVAN
  • V8
  • FWD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 100,440 MILES
I turn on the ign. Sw. To the run position(eng not running) radio & fan works fine. If I start engine the Radio & Fan will turn off and on very randomly, But everything else that comes on with the key in runposition stays on. Like the indicator lights/LEDs on the switche for power recycle and A/C, and some other things.
It has been suggested it is the Ignition switch but I find that hard to accept for the following reasons: why are the Radio & Fan not intermitant when the engine is on but a problem with the engine running and why doesn't other stuff not go on and off with Radio & Fan.

I have been a electro mechanical TECH for over20 years so I am experienced with electrical trouble shooting. I kind of think it may be tied to the computer but do not have a schematic to trace the wires.
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Friday, March 13th, 2009 AT 2:11 PM

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Tiny
BMRFIXIT
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Save your time and check the ignition switch
very common for it to go bad and this is the very common sign
test the wiring before starting and after
and after starting try to return the key back a bit without shutting off the engine
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Friday, March 13th, 2009 AT 7:15 PM
Tiny
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I just spent $45 and drove 45 miles round trip to get the new switch.

It didnot help abit
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Monday, March 16th, 2009 AT 2:40 PM
Tiny
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IGNITION SWITCH
1.Remove ignition switch. Check continuity between ignition switch terminals No. 3 and 5 with ignition switch in START and RUN positions. See Fig . If continuity exists, go to next step. If continuity does not exist, replace ignition switch.
2.Check continuity between ignition switch terminals No. 4 and 5 with ignition switch in START position. If continuity exists, go to next step. If continuity does not exist, replace ignition switch.
3.Ignition switch sends multiplexed commands to Body Control Module (BCM). Use scan tool to diagnose affected system(s). For diagnosis and repair,

IGNITION SWITCH CIRCUIT FUNCTIONS
1 (Violet/Orange) Ignition Sense Return
2 (Violet/Brown) Ignition Sense
3 (Pink/White) (1) Fused Ignition Switch Output (START/RUN)
4 (Yellow) Ignition Switch Output (START)
5 (Light Blue/Red) Fused Battery Voltage


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Monday, March 16th, 2009 AT 5:29 PM
Tiny
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I agree with BMRFIXIT. I replaced dozens of switches for the exact same symptoms, ... And I was not even one of the electrical specialists at the dealership.

By the way, it's nice for a change to speak with a fellow electrical expert!

There are a number of different circuits controlled by the switch so some things might work while others will not. Sometimes problems don't show up until the engine is running because the charging system raises system voltage which results in more current flow through the switch circuits. More current means more heat buildup in the contacts. Engine and road vibration aggravate the problem. Normally I would suggest wiggling the switch when the problem occurs, but since you already replaced it, did you happen to look at the connector? Sometimes a terminal in the connector overheats and becomes discolored or even turns black. In that case, cut the melted plastic plug apart, splice in a good clean piece of wire and solder on a new terminal. (Don't just crimp it to the wire).

You might check for a connector near the base of the steering column although I don't recall ever finding a problem there.

The next most likely thing to check, if the new switch didn't help, is for a loose fuse behind the brake pedal. I left the dealership in late '99 but I doubt the design changed very much after that. It was pretty common for fuses to fall out onto a customer's ankle while they were driving. To save time, we just put a slight twist in the blades of the fuse and reinstalled it.

By the way, it was a NEW switch, right? 45 bucks seems kinda low but maybe the price has come down. Full size trucks have had so much trouble that there's a factory fix that involves installing a harness with a relay to handle the high current.

As a point of interest, there is a service bulletin for the cassette player changing direction when both power windows are rolled down. It doesn't really change direction, it just sounds like it does. Caused by increased current when both window motors stop moving. That results in higher voltage drop across ignition switch contacts, lower voltage to the radio which thinks the switch was turned off so it retracts the head and pinch roller. Release power window switches and the cassette player starts working again.

Anyhow, if none of this pans out, holler back and I'll dig out a service manual and check the diagram.

Caradiodoc
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Tuesday, March 17th, 2009 AT 7:48 PM

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