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Clunking, banging, shaking and feels like the tire is going to come off

Tiny
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Finally figured it out. I kept driving back and forth in driveway till noise got worse. I then pulled on everything I can. I also found that both back axles are shot but The right axle is causing issues. I also think the lower ball joint and upper control arm with 2 blown mounts caused everything to be million times worse. Downside to having a car 20 plus years old that's almost all original. But it's the right axle that is problematic. Im including a video just so you can double check me.
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Tuesday, May 18th, 2021 AT 7:59 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

That is certainly the problem. Is the play in the CV joint or at the differential?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-a-cv-joint-works

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/replace-cv-axle

Let me know.

Joe
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Tuesday, May 18th, 2021 AT 6:29 PM
Tiny
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Both rear axles have a lot of play and movement at both joints. It's almost like the video of the front right CV I just sent. I checked out differential and drive shaft and it's all solid. Except very small amount of play at the u joint. Which feels normal. I started getting mad I couldn't figure out what was wrong. I finally said screw it and kept cutting wheel and giving gas in driveway until whatever it was broke more. It worked. I checked that axle 20 times and had no signs of damage or wear or play. Finally It gave way enough for me to finally figure it out. It sucks everything went at one time making it very very hard to diagnose. I'm going to start fixing it tomorrow and hopefully Friday test drive it.
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Tuesday, May 18th, 2021 AT 8:01 PM
Tiny
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So I tore down car and the right axle is completely shot. I already installed new CV and ball joint. Car is back together but I'm waiting for part store to drop off upper control arm. Once everything is installed I'm going to test drive and let you know what happens.
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Wednesday, May 19th, 2021 AT 12:51 PM
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Sounds good. Let me know what you find or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe
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Wednesday, May 19th, 2021 AT 7:36 PM
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It didn't fix it. I noticed 2 things. This doesn't seem right to me. Can the transfer case be causing issues? The transmission had very very low fluid level also. The transfer case and drive shaft seem to be making noise. But how can that be the problem when turning? Transfer case has nothing to do with steering.
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Thursday, May 20th, 2021 AT 11:51 AM
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To be more clear still no change. I did notice the drive shaft the goes into transfer case then trans seems to be making noise I think. I can't really tell, when shifting gears you hear a clunking noise. I also checked transmission fluid and it was very low. The car only makes noise when turning wheel and going forward or reverse. Can a bad transfer case cause clunking and thumping when turning. What else can it be everything has been replaced except 2 motor mounts and wheel bearings.
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Thursday, May 20th, 2021 AT 4:54 PM
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Hi,

That movement is excessive. I would suspect either you have a few bad splines at one of the hub assemblies or there is an internal gear issue.

Do me a favor. I attached a pic of an axle below. Have a helper shift the gears to cause the clunk while you watch if one of the axles turns without the vehicle moving.

Let me know.

Joe

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Thursday, May 20th, 2021 AT 7:52 PM
Tiny
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I will get under car and have someone shift. So you think one of the new axles is bad or the spindle at the hub assembly? Come to think of it when I installed the new right axle the other day it pulled out of the joint for a split second but it went right back in. The axle feels tight no movement when pulling on it. The video with the movement and cluck was at the u joint at the transfer case. I did check the whole drive shaft back to the rear differential and everything is tight.
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Friday, May 21st, 2021 AT 2:27 AM
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I went under car and had someone shift. It sounds like it's coming from inside the transfer case. Also the engine jumps when the clunk happens it moves around 1/2 inch to 3/4 of a inch. Like the video I sent you can clearly see extra movement in drive shaft and hear the clunking when shifting. That explains the knocking when shifting. But Would that cause the knocking when only turning. I never heard of a transmission, front differential or transfer case only making noise when turning. I could be wrong.
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Friday, May 21st, 2021 AT 4:22 PM
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Since it is 4wd, it's likely that turning is placing enough load on it to cause the noise. What I would suggest is to remove the driveshaft and inspect the splines on the yoke and the output shaft at the transfer case.

If the splines are good and there is no evidence of damage, it is likely related to the final drive gear or one of the transfer gears. See pic 1. I highlighted the areas of concern.

Now, when I think about it more, since the video is of the front U-joint (transfer case) and it moves, that would indicate the problem is after that point. Does the same thing happen at the rear differential? I ask because the entire driveshaft is moving. So, the transfer case is causing it to turn approx 90° meaning something after that point has to be doing the same thing. Also, when you make a turn, the rear differential has to accommodate one wheel turning faster than the other. Ugh! I have a headache. LOL

Sorry for jumping around like that. The second thought just popped into my head and I felt it was important to ask.

Let me know.

Joe
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Friday, May 21st, 2021 AT 7:32 PM
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I try to do it soon. At least drop the drive shaft and see it it clunks when shifting and I'll see if I can prop it to the side and see if it clunks when turning. Since It happens when only turning wheel and rolling 2 MPH I'll know right away if it fixes it.
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Saturday, May 22nd, 2021 AT 3:40 AM
Tiny
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I just saw something my back right tire (passenger) is bold on the sides and middle has treads. That tire was not like that back in February. So that happened abruptly. Also I noticed the tire looks like it has negative camber. It was not like that few months ago.
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Saturday, May 22nd, 2021 AT 4:13 AM
Tiny
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If you lift the tire off the ground, is there play in the hub bearing? If there is and it's bad enough, the splines may be slipping. I realize that's a long shot, but anything is possible. Make sure the spindle nut is tight and the hub bearing isn't moving around. See pic below.

Let me know.

Joe
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Saturday, May 22nd, 2021 AT 6:53 PM
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First I want to disconnect drive shaft and see what happens. Then I'll check out the rear.
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Sunday, May 23rd, 2021 AT 4:00 AM
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Sounds good. Let me know what you find or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
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Sunday, May 23rd, 2021 AT 7:02 PM
Tiny
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Hello, I haven't had a chance to recheck car. I'm going to check transfer case, rear differential. Questions though, can I drive car if I disconnect drive shaft and just push it to the side? I forget if I have to drain transmission fluid before pulling transfer case. Can you send me the schematics for the rear differential, transfer case and front differential? I have a feeling that that rear differential is bad but I still want to check everything else out. I think that since the back passenger tire was still had 20% tread then in a few weeks its was almost bold especially inner and outer part of tire. I want to check transfer case since the clunking sounds like it's coming from that area.
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Monday, June 7th, 2021 AT 5:03 AM
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Hi,

I will be happy to send it if I have it. Tell me, are you looking for an exploded view of the components? When you said schematic, I'm picturing wiring. LOL

I attached the directions below for removing the transfer case. And, yep you need to drain the transmission first.

I hope they help.

Let me know,

Joe

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Monday, June 7th, 2021 AT 8:20 PM
Tiny
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What you sent is perfect.
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Tuesday, June 8th, 2021 AT 2:28 AM
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Hi,

Sounds good. Let me know how things turn out for you or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe
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Tuesday, June 8th, 2021 AT 8:12 PM

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