Car will not run

Tiny
CA1970
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  • 1994 BUICK CENTURY
  • 3.1L
  • V6
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 385,000 MILES
Blew a head gasket, changed out both, and new intake set, got everything back together, set valve rocker at 10 foot pounds ( suppose to be 124 inch pound, which = 10.333 foot pounds as I do not have an inch pound torque wrench) engine getting fuel and fire, but wont run. Compression test shows all cylinders averaging 126, with no leak down. Everything hooked back up to where it was except one plug we can find where it goes. (See image attached) Turns over great, small back fire through intake, just wont run. Any suggestions? Or any idea what the stray wire hooks to?
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Tuesday, January 8th, 2019 AT 4:07 PM

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Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Hi and thanks for using 2CarPros.

Is that a 2 pin connector? Are the wires black and pink? If so, check if it goes to the cam sensor. If that is disconnected, fuel injection timing will be off.

Also, see if it will start for a couple seconds using starting fluid. If it does, then the problem is fuel related. If it doesn't, reconfirm that there is spark. If the engine is getting both spark and fuel, the timing is correct, and it's can get air, it has no option but to run.

I attached part of a wiring schematic along with a picture of the sensor's location and where the plug is located.

Let me know if this helps and what you find.

Joe
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Wednesday, January 9th, 2019 AT 8:24 PM
Tiny
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Wire shone in attachment photo I sent is 2 prong, wires are black and white. I doubled checked the cam sensor wires and they are hooked up. Car will kind of attempt to run on starter fluid, but wont quite get there, also tries to backfire through intake after stop turning key.
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Thursday, January 10th, 2019 AT 1:14 PM
Tiny
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I just read through the schematics again. I find nothing with a solid black and a solid white wire. The crank sensor is black and light blue.

Are you sure there isn't large vacuum leak causing it not to start?

This guide can help as well

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-cranks-but-wont-start
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Thursday, January 10th, 2019 AT 5:17 PM
Tiny
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After looking closer at that plug, the wires are brown and white.
Everything vacuum wise is sealed or has its hose on it, so no vacuum leaks that I know of at moment. Plugs getting fire, not sure if injectors are spraying yet. But if you spray ether into intake, it still wont run on it, which has me perplexed.
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Friday, January 11th, 2019 AT 11:51 AM
Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Okay, could it be tan? The Intake Air Temperature Sensor has a tan wire and a black. I am going to attach the schematics for the entire engine control power-train management system. I have to cut them in half for them to fit. I will kept them in order and overlapped them so you can see and understand them,

Honestly, it should start with starting fluid. Are you getting a good hot blue snapping spark at the plugs?

Let me know if any of this helps.

Joe
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Friday, January 11th, 2019 AT 6:08 PM
Tiny
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Has a nice blue spark on all cylinder, pulled valve cover off to recheck valve torque, all good. Did a compression test again on even bank, hits 150 on each cylinder, but very slowly leaks down to 120 & holds there
wondering if the head is warped?
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Saturday, January 12th, 2019 AT 12:28 PM
Tiny
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Spark looks good and it is getting fuel.
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Saturday, January 12th, 2019 AT 1:22 PM
Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Welcome back:
It should run with that much compression. How many hits on the compression gauge does it take to reach this amount of compression? Are you getting an injector pulse?
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Saturday, January 12th, 2019 AT 1:39 PM
Tiny
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Three turns and it hits 135, injectors are pulsing.
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Saturday, January 12th, 2019 AT 2:18 PM
Tiny
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Nothing was done to affect timing?
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Saturday, January 12th, 2019 AT 3:15 PM
Tiny
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Not that I am aware of.
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Saturday, January 12th, 2019 AT 8:47 PM
Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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It should run. We are missing something simple. I am going to ask one of the other mechanics on this site for his opinion. However, if there is spark, fuel, compression, and the timing is correct, it should run. Take a look at the two pictures to see if that helps find the location of the wire that's disconnected.

Lets see if he has any suggestions.

Joe
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Saturday, January 12th, 2019 AT 10:19 PM
Tiny
KEN
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In the video the starter sounds a little strange is the engine turning over fast enough? I am wondering if you have spark at the right time? Does it even try to run can you do a video with the plugs in?
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Sunday, January 13th, 2019 AT 10:56 AM
Tiny
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We got it running. :) JacobandNickolas last set of images had me double check all the wiring. Knock sensor was not hooked on tight, soon as we plugged it in good, car fired right up. Never seen a knock sensor keep one from running, but it runs, so not going to question it. Thanks much for the help!
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Sunday, January 13th, 2019 AT 1:34 PM
Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Great! The knock sensor plays with ignition timing, so anything is possible. Regardless, I'm glad it helped and wish you a great 2019.

Let us know if you have questions in the future.

Take care,
Joe
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Sunday, January 13th, 2019 AT 4:02 PM
Tiny
MYMOUNTAINESCAPE
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  • 1994 BUICK CENTURY
  • 3.6L
  • 6 CYL
  • FWD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 64,000 MILES
I recently removed bad gas from the vehicle. After that, the car would start, run a few seconds-then shut off. Now, the car will not start at all unless I spray gas into the injectors. I am unable to extract the codes to determine the problem, as an OBD1 nor OBD2 code reader will work.
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Monday, January 14th, 2019 AT 9:41 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Cross A and B with a paper clip and turn key on see if any codes pop up. Check fuses as it may be a bad fuse. Then check fuel pressure should be 41-47 psi with key on and hold for five minutes with in 5 psi. If not minimum pressure pump or regulator is bad more than likely pump.
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Monday, January 14th, 2019 AT 9:41 AM (Merged)
Tiny
STEVE W.
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Start run a few seconds and shut off sounds like you have a bad fuel pump or plugged fuel filter that has now become worse. Run a fuel pressure test on it to see if you have 41-47 psi at the rail. Run a jumper wire to the pump test wire and see if the pump comes on.

GM did not have a 3.6 in the Buick in 1994, they had the 2.2 or the 3.1.

The 2.2 would be an 8th digit VIN 4 and OBDI with the 12 pin connector shown below. You can read codes without a scan tool by shorting the two top right connectors (A and B) in the test port together with the key off. Then turn the key on and count the flashes. Flash pause = 1 Flash, Flash pause = 2 and so on. Each code flashes three times. It will start with 12 to tell you it is in diagnostic mode, then end with 12 to tell you it is finished. So you would see 12, 12, 12 - 34, 34, 34 - 12.12.12 for a code 34.

The 3.1 could be one of a few versions, depending on what the 8th VIN digit is and when it was actually built.
It could be a VIN T OBDI with the 12 pin connector and can be jumpered.

Or it could be a VIN D OBDI with a 12 pin connector and nothing in the B position and requires a code reader
Or it could be a VIN M which are the 16 pin connector but require the special software to talk to the oddball OBD 1.5 system where they used a mix between both systems.

Take a look at your VIN number to tell which one you have. If it is the oddball you need something like the old Snap-On MT2500 or a Tech 2 both need the correct software and cable. 1994 to 1996 are such fun years.
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Monday, January 14th, 2019 AT 9:41 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Thanks Steve,
You are right. My engine is a 3.1. Do not know where I got 3.6. It was my mother's car and had been sitting for almost three years until I had it shipped to me in early 2012. Just now getting around to tackling it.

Jimmy
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Monday, January 14th, 2019 AT 9:41 AM (Merged)
Tiny
STEVE W.
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Three year old gas. That must have been nice stuff. Yuk. Run the pressure tests and see what you get. Also, plan on changing filters a few times, the new booze fuel will clean out the fuel system, and all the crud has to go somewhere.
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