Car cranks when on operating temperature

Tiny
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My car listed above dx model, stalls when I drive it and just cranks and won't start. I start it up every morning and it start right up as the car is warming up it heistiges/misfire then shuts off/stall and just cranks but won't turn on. I checked and I'm getting spark and fuel. The timing is TDC, new spark plugs, spark plug wires, I checked the ignition coil inside the distributor and it's getting spark also replaced the cap and rotor getting spark at the spark plugs. I hear all four fuel injectors with long screwdriver ticking also checked for resistance and they are all around the same resistance. I can hear the fuel pump prime and main relay click when I turn the key. I also did I compression test and the engine is healthy, no vacuum leaks from what I can see.
Thursday, January 21st, 2021 AT 12:36 PM

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Tiny
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Okay. We are missing something because all you need to start the engine is fuel, spark, and compression. I suspect the fuel pressure is low when it is hot. Let's check the fuel pressure when this is happening. Here is a guide that will help with this:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Even though you hear the pump and injectors clicking, we don't know if they are actually supplying enough fuel so let's start with this and go from there.

If this checks out then here is a guide that will take us through the rest of this:

https://youtu.be/dCjmRL3p4Cs
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Thursday, January 21st, 2021 AT 7:54 PM
Tiny
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I sprayed starter fluid on the throttle body and didn't start. So, doesn't that mean is not a bad/failing fuel pump? I'll do a fuel pressure test tomorrow and I also recently replaced fuel filter.
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Thursday, January 21st, 2021 AT 8:22 PM
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Yes. Normally if it doesn't fire on starter fluid then it is not a fuel issue. However, I am wondering if the plugs are fouled at this point. You may have too much fuel pointing to a high pressure issue or even a leaking injector. So we still need to do the fuel pressure but we need to do it first thing in the morning with the vehicle does start and then keep it on there while it starts to stall and see what it is doing. Thanks
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Friday, January 22nd, 2021 AT 9:38 AM
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Okay, finally checked the fuel pressure the results are as follow: fuel pressure with regulator connected was at 31 PSI and with it disconnected it was 38 PSI.
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Friday, March 5th, 2021 AT 3:26 PM
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Just to be clear that was when this issue was happening? So you drove it around and got it hot and then it was not starting and this is when you checked those PSI?

If so, they are perfect so this is not a pump issue.

If that is the case does this do this every time? So it cranks and starts fine cold but as soon as it gets hot it ends up shutting off and does not restart until it gets cold again?
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Friday, March 5th, 2021 AT 7:01 PM
Tiny
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No I didn't drive the car it was idling the whole time. If I drive it it stalls sputters instantly and yes it starts up fine when cold and starts to sputter/hesitate when it starts reaching operating temperature. Happens all the time.
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Friday, March 5th, 2021 AT 7:05 PM
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I did notice that when I gave it throttle the PSI would go down and the engine would sputter more and would want to stall out is that normal for the psi to drop below 30 PSI?
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Friday, March 5th, 2021 AT 7:12 PM
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There is normally some drop in pressure as you are opening the injectors longer as you accelerate but it should not sputter and drop more then a pound or two but it should recover quickly.

Have you replace the fuel pump? I thought you said that you did but I didn't see it. I may be thinking of a different vehicle so if you have not, I would replace that at this point and go from there.
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Saturday, March 6th, 2021 AT 7:09 PM
Tiny
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No, I never replaced the fuel pump. What if I go to the junkyard and get one just to know if the fuel pump is the problem and if it is I just buy I new one?
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Saturday, March 6th, 2021 AT 8:00 PM
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You can do that. The only thing that gives me pause is that you get another one that is faulty and we think it is not the issue because the chances of getting another is slim. However, it is still a chance.

However, on the other hand, if you get one from a salvage yard and it works, then just leave it in there until that one fails. No need to buy a new one if the vehicle is working.
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Sunday, March 7th, 2021 AT 7:00 PM
Tiny
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Sadly it wasn't the fuel pump that was bad. I put another fuel pump with less miles from the junkyard and still did the same thing.
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Wednesday, March 10th, 2021 AT 9:25 AM
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The only other thing that I can think would cause this at this point is the EGR is opening and sticking causing the engine to run rich and stall then it will not start again until it cools down.

I attached the testing that we need to run through in order to figure this out.
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Wednesday, March 10th, 2021 AT 6:10 PM
Tiny
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This might sound stupid, but my trim model is a DX. Did those come with EGR?
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Wednesday, March 10th, 2021 AT 6:15 PM
Tiny
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Can it possibly be the idle air control valve not getting a check engine light? Though you would think that It would have one for my problem.
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Wednesday, March 10th, 2021 AT 9:42 PM
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Nvm, it can't be the IACV just checked and it works fine. What about a video of what exactly it's doing? Would that help you?
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Thursday, March 11th, 2021 AT 10:18 AM
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Yes. A video would be great. Also, your vehicle does have an EGR. The DX is just a trim package and doesn't alter any major engine components.
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Thursday, March 11th, 2021 AT 6:34 PM
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Here is the video of the car idling good:
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Friday, March 12th, 2021 AT 11:48 AM
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And here is a video of it turning off:
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Friday, March 12th, 2021 AT 11:50 AM
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That does help. Clearly the issue only happens when the engine is up to operating temp as you mention. So that means what happens when it is hot vs not? The main thing is it switches from open to closed loop. That means when it gets hot the ECM starts using the sensor data to adjust the fuel and ignition.

If the o2 sensors are not accurate then it could cause performance issues resulting in a stalled engine.

Next we need to monitor the o2 sensor information with a scan tool if you have one. That will help confirm this.

Also, the purge valve is not opened until the engine is at almost 170 degrees. So if the ECM is opening the purge and it is sticking open once open, it will flood the engine and it will stall and not restart until the fuel evaporates.

Less likely could be a valve adjustment issue so was there any recent work done to the engine and this issue started afterwards?

Are you able to keep the engine running by giving it more throttle?

Lastly, let's run some injector cleaner through the engine. If the injector(s) are hanging open then that will flood the engine as well.
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Friday, March 12th, 2021 AT 5:14 PM
Tiny
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Can it be a bad igniter inside the distributor? I had problems in the past with the distributor went bad and then like a year and half ago the cap and rotor were replaced because they went bad and the current distributor is aftermarket which are known to go bad, because like I said it's getting spark to the spark plugs so it cant be the cap and rotor and then I swap over a different ignition coil from my cousins Integra and was going the same so it can't be the coil. I also heard that the igniter can go bad when the engine is warmed up possibly a weak spark when it's up to operating temperature?
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Wednesday, March 17th, 2021 AT 12:35 PM

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