Vibration when braking quick

Tiny
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  • 1995 CHEVROLET CAMARO
  • 3.4L
  • V6
  • 2WD
  • MANUAL
  • 135,000 MILES
Whenever I jump on the brakes it gives a lot of vibration throughout the car and steering wheel. It doesn't do it when I come to a slow stop but a quick brake (due to non drivers on 66). I commonly have to brake hard and can't seem to figure out where the vibration is coming from. The pads are good, alignment is decent, tires are't worn super unevenly by any means. Only other thing I can think of is maybe the rotors have gone bad?
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Monday, February 10th, 2020 AT 9:55 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

It sounds like you have brake rotors that are warped. Even though you don't feel it under a light stop, you can under a heavy one. Most times when you feel the steering wheel shake, its the front brake rotors.

That is where I would start. I would first lift one front wheel off the ground at a time and confirm there isn't excessive play in the front bearings. If there isn't, I would replace the rotors and pads.

Here is a link that explains how in general how to replace the brake pads and rotors. It shows it on a front wheel drive. Your vehicle is a bit different because your rotors contain the wheel bearings.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-front-brake-pads-and-rotors-fwd
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Here are the directions specific to your vehicle for replacement of the rotors.

1995 Chevrolet Camaro V6-204 3.4L VIN S SFI
Front Rotor/Disc
Vehicle Brakes and Traction Control Disc Brake System Brake Rotor/Disc Service and Repair Procedures Front Rotor/Disc
FRONT ROTOR/DISC
1. Remove caliper as described in Caliper Service under Brake Caliper/Service and Repair.
2. Remove caliper mounting bracket attaching bolts, then the caliper mounting bracket.
3. Remove wheel bearing lubricant cap from center of rotor.
4. Remove cotter pin, nut and washer from steering knuckle assembly.
5. Carefully pull brake rotor from steering knuckle.
6. Reverse procedure to install, prior to installing cotter pin onto the steering knuckle, adjust wheel bearing as follows:
a. Torque nut to 21 ft. lbs. while turning brake rotor clockwise. This will remove any grease or burrs which may cause excessive wheel bearing play.
b. Back off nut to a just loose position.
c. Hand tighten nut until next slot.
d. Install cotter pin and wheel bearing lubricant cap.

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Here are the directions for caliper removal and brake pad replacement:

1995 Chevrolet Camaro V6-204 3.4L VIN S SFI
Removal/Installation
Vehicle Brakes and Traction Control Hydraulic System Brake Caliper Service and Repair Procedures Caliper Service Front Disc Brakes Removal/Installation
REMOVAL/INSTALLATION
Fig. 8 Piston Compressing W/Pliers.
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Fig. 9 Caliper Mounting Bolts Replacement.

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REMOVAL
1. Remove approximately 2/3 of brake fluid from master cylinder.
2. Raise and support front of vehicle, then remove wheel and tire assembly.
3. Position suitable pliers over inboard pad and housing as shown in Fig. 8, and squeeze pliers to compress caliper piston.
4. If caliper assembly is being removed for service, remove inlet fitting attaching bolt, copper washer, and inlet fitting from caliper housing. Plug opening in inlet fitting to prevent fluid loss and contamination. Do not crimp brake hose, as this may damage internal structure of hose. If only shoe and lining assemblies are to be replaced, do not disconnect brake line fitting from caliper.
5. Remove Allen head caliper mounting bolts, Fig. 9. If bolts show signs of corrosion, use new bolts when installing caliper assembly.
6. Remove caliper assembly from disc. If only shoe and lining assemblies are to be replaced, using a length of wire suspend caliper from spring coil. Never allow caliper to hang from brake hose.

Fig. 9 Caliper Mounting Bolts Replacement.

Pic 2

Fig. 13 Caliper & Stops Clearance Inspection.

Pic 3

CALIPER INSTALLATION
1. Position caliper assembly over disc and align mounting bolt holes. If brake hoses were not disconnected during removal, use care not to kink hoses during installation.
2. Install mounting bolts and tighten to specifications, Fig. 9.
3. Check dimensions between each caliper stop and caliper, Fig. 13. If necessary remove caliper and file ends of bracket to provide proper clearance.
4. If brake hose fitting was disconnected during removal, install brake hose fitting.
5. Fill master cylinder. Bleed brake system if brake line was disconnected and recheck master cylinder fluid level.
6. Install wheel and tire assembly on vehicle, then lower vehicle and check brake system operation. Before moving vehicle, pump brake pedal several times to be sure it is firm. Do not move vehicle until a firm pedal is obtained.

Let me know if this helps.

Take care,
Joe
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Monday, February 10th, 2020 AT 3:15 PM
Tiny
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Thank you. I will give it a look and how do I check for "excessive" play in the bearings. If that is the case would I just need to re pack them?
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Tuesday, February 11th, 2020 AT 4:37 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

When you have the tire off the ground, place your hands first at 3 and 6 oclock and wiggle to see if there is play. Do the same at 6 and 12. If you do notice play, then have a helper watch to see if the play is in the bearing.

As far as repacking them, I will need you to check something. When I look in my manual, it explains the old style bearing where the rotor itself functions as a hub assembly. When I look at the directions, it indicated a bolt on hub. I attached a pic of this type. Let me know if this is what you have. It will have 4 bolts going from the rear of the steering knuckle and bolting the hub assembly on, or it will have the type where there is a tin type cover center on the hub which is removed to access the spindle nut.

Let me know which one you have so I can make sure to provide the correct directions. Also, I really feel the rotors should be replaced regardless. I suspect that is where you are getting the vibration. I feel you would have the vibration with the brakes applied or not if it was a bearing.

Let me know and please feel free to let me know if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
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Tuesday, February 11th, 2020 AT 7:14 PM

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