Battery warning light

Tiny
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Please help:
1. Battery, starter and alternator tests passed three times, but with lower CCA on battery
2. So I replaced 5 years old OEM Battery yesterday with an H5(47) AGM battery
3. Battery icon appears still
4. Voltmeter showed with engine off, 12.6 V on new battery

5. Drove just about 30 minutes local stop and go, few miles driven, and battery tested perfect! That is showed CCA more than Spec, all Voltage, Alternator charging and ripple voltage, starter test etc, for a normal healthy battery
6. Besides normal suspects alternator, belt, voltage regulator what could trigger battery warning?
7. Are there fuses for alternator/Battery? And if fuse is out, why would it even run?
8. I am educating on +ve terminal fuses/fuse link but don't know much so if you can help, I will appreciate it.
9. Could it be the current sensor on -ve terminal? Or ECM?
10. For fuses it refers to manual and manual does not have diagrams so got it from other fuse related sites (fuseandrelay dot com or fusecheck dot com) and no OBDII codes
Thanks for your help.
ECM Harness and Alternator Harness shows continuity. Therefore, I assume, the fusible links are not out. No shorts either.
Also, wouldn't fusible link out stop the car's engine from running?
Thursday, January 20th, 2022 AT 2:40 PM

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Let's start with the idea of what a fusible link is. Basically, this is a fuse that is made out of wiring. What happens is when the current is too high this section of wire will break first before any damage to the other wiring will happen.

So, it is a fuse just not a traditional looking fuse. So, the way these normally fail is they get high resistance before they actually break.

So, if you have the warning light on, then this link could have high resistance which means it is robbing voltage from the system and the light will come on.

The way to test this is to check the resistance (ohms) from the battery cable to the IPDM. See the wiring diagram below.

Here is how you do this testing:
https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-voltmeter

Next, the current sensor could be the issue. Basically, this sensor is doing nothing more than measuring the current that is returning through the negative post so that it can measure the overall state of charge of the battery.

This is a very likely cause of this issue. I attached the testing below on how to check it.

Please run through this info first and let us know what you find, and we can go further.

Thanks
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Friday, January 21st, 2022 AT 3:51 PM
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Dear Kenny K,

Thanks for the detailed response!
The continuity test showed continuity between ECM and Alternator harness connector and there was no short to power and short to ground
So, I think the fusible links should be, okay? Is that correct?
I will check the current sensor as you suggest and will report back the findings.
Thanks again, I appreciate your help. Have a nice evening!

Question: HPCM = Hybrid Power Control module but my car is gas powered so where would I see HPCM for Current sensor and also, I checked fuse/relays and cannot see terminal 69 and 70? Could you please clarify. Thanks.
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Friday, January 21st, 2022 AT 4:13 PM
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The 2.0L for this year was a hybrid engine so it has a gas-powered engine, but that engine just powers the electric side. So, you should have this hybrid engine if you have the 2.0L unless you have the sport model which I did not check the first time.

Since I am guessing you have the sport model and non-hybrid engine, I am attaching the charging diagram below for that engine

As for the continuity test, this is actually not correct.

You are correct that there is no break in the circuit so the fusible link is not "blown" like a fuse would blow. But that does not prove that there is not high resistance.

Basically, this is the same test as a continuity test except instead of just checking to see if you have a connection/continuity, you are checking how much resistance is in the circuit.

You need to have very low resistance in the wiring so that all your voltage is used where it is supposed to be used in the circuit.

So you check this by putting your meter leads at both ends of the circuit and measure the ohms. If should be less then a half ohm which means the wiring is not only intact but also not high in resistance.
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Friday, January 21st, 2022 AT 6:38 PM
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Sorry and thanks, my mistake. Maybe I thought I had written that the car is 2017 Nissan Rogue Sport (2 L gas engine, AWD), as I also cut and pasted what I had written in Nissan forum which provided till todate no help. (As FYI, Nissan Tech info site needs subscription for tech bulletins which I do not have. So I go by general and other web info. The manuals of Nissan do not even give image of fuse box, so I removed each fuse box covers and taken photos for future reference.)
Yes, your explanation of continuity does not equal low resistance makes sense. I will check and report here.
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Friday, January 21st, 2022 AT 7:37 PM
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Sounds great. Yes, we have access to all the online manuals and can provide screenshots or anything we need so let us know what you find and then if you have other issues, feel free to start a post on that and we can provide the manual info if you need it.

Basically, we just keep each post to one issue so that others can find the info in the future if they search for the same thing you are dealing with.

Thanks for the update.
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Saturday, January 22nd, 2022 AT 3:07 PM
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Here is the latest update:

1. Battery V = 12.87.
2. Battery V with car running = 14.23.
3. Battery V with car running, lights on, A/C on, heat on = 14.2.
4. Resistance between +ve Terminal and Alt bolt covered by rubber boot feeding wires to +ve Terminal fuse links = 0.01 or 0.02 ohms.
5. Same wire shows continuity of 1.

Based on these, I assume that Alternator fusible links, and alternator is okay. What I do not know is AC current leak for the alternator.
Since I do not have a hybrid model I do not know where to find Terminal 69 and 70 to test current sensor. Or please inform me if the following is correct to measure current sensor?
With engine off, remove negative terminal, connect jumper cable to unpainted bracket as ground and other end on negative battery post. Now check voltage between negative terminal battery post and terminal connector removed where harness is connected.
Have a nice, relaxed Sunday evening!
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Sunday, January 23rd, 2022 AT 12:51 PM
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Yeah. That is fine for the wiring.

Here is the testing that we need to do for this specific vehicle.

The battery sensor can be tested this way, but I would check resistance between terminal 1 and 4 and the 2 and 3.
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Sunday, January 23rd, 2022 AT 3:43 PM
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Thanks for your prompt response. one question to verify,
you mean these terminals 1 through 4 of current sensor? Where would I find it? Isn't it at the negative terminal on battery?
As initially I said in the post, I think it could be the current sensor? or I think a malfunction/bad ECM?

Is this the one Main Current Battery Sensor - Nissan 294G0-C990C at negative terminal which has wire harness plugged in? Earlier I had unplugged to see if the pins were clean or dirty, and they were clean but did not measure resistance, as I saw them clean.
Should it be tested for resistance by removing from negative terminal of the battery?

Also, as FYI, I have read this article during troubleshooting
https://www.samarins.com/glossary/battery-sensor.html

I still am hoping that if I drive around closer to 100 miles or so the ECM may relearn that i have a new battery. I have driven small distances around hometown for typical grocery runs etc. (As in NE we have snow and chilly temperatures.) At first, I thought maybe it is QashQai rebranded which was launched in EU and hence maybe I have to register/establish battery in system using Nissan Consult system. However, it is not to be registered, so I think Computer ECM has to relearn that there is a new battery and take away the warning which appeared when OEM battery was about 5 years old and CCA were falling below specs and ambient temperature was.
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Sunday, January 23rd, 2022 AT 4:43 PM
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As additional info the attached battery test at neighborhood AAP store using Midtronics CPX900. The Tech associate entered rating of 550 CCA vs 650 CCA (does this impact test result? I don't know as it is just the baseline value. True?). Earlier on old OEM battery I had seen ripple V of 21-23 mV and here with new AGM battery ripple voltage is 11 mV. (So no/negligible AC current leakage?)
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Sunday, January 23rd, 2022 AT 5:45 PM
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Okay. That is good. Can you get a picture of your negative battery terminal?

The battery sensor should be attached to the negative terminal.
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Sunday, January 23rd, 2022 AT 7:23 PM
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Please see attached image of negative terminal. Because of 4 wires, I think there are 4 pins, I will verify soon but in order to test do I remove the terminal by disconnecting/loosening the bolt on negative post and then check resistance between 1 and 4 and 2 and 3?
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Sunday, January 23rd, 2022 AT 8:25 PM
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That is correct. 2 and 3 are for the battery temperature sensor but we should check that as well.

You just undo the connector from the sensor and then measure across the sensor terminals.
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Monday, January 24th, 2022 AT 8:50 AM
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Resistance measurement at negative terminal connector pins, without disconnecting from battery, just removing 4 wire harness plugs. I tried to match wire colors from harness plug order to pins but besides pink, light blue, light green, the white didn’t appear maybe it is beige.
Assumption of Pin order and wire color
(a) From front of Car assuming the order of 4 pins (wire color, see photos) as:
1 (pink), 4 (light green), 2 (white/beige), 3 (light blue)
range 200K ohms selected
Resistance between 1 and 4 = 1
Resistance between 2 and 3 = 94.2

(b) From front of Car assuming order of 4 pins as:
1 (pink), 2 (white/beige), 3 (light blue), 4 (light green)
range 200K ohms selected
Resistance between 1 and 4 = 1
Resistance between 2 and 3 = 4.9 or 5.0

With lower range of 200 ohms on multimeter, all measurements were showing only 1, not changing at all for both pins order (a) and (b) above
When probes of multimeter were touched together it was 1.7

Note: resistance measurement of pins due to on terminal and as pins are sitting inside was little difficult with point probes of multimeter. I tried to put coffee stirrer plastic straw on tip to make error free but the bare probes worked better.

Therefore,
I am not sure if I have measured it correctly. Please inform me and I will check again.
I tried to remove the negative cable but the nut was tight and due to low ambient temp didn't use force, so the plastic part does not break.
Could it be better to measure resistance by taking terminal off the post?
Thanks for your continued help, I appreciate it.
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Monday, January 24th, 2022 AT 4:53 PM
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The pins on the first one were correct. 1 is pink, 2 is white, 3 is blue, 4 is light green.

If you checked 1 and 4 and had 1 ohm of resistance, then that is concerning as it is not what I expected. However, let's circle back and make sure we didn't miss the basics which is the 5-amp fuse in the dash junction block.

I attached the info below. Let's just make sure this is not an issue before we replace the battery sensor.
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Monday, January 24th, 2022 AT 8:07 PM
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Thanks, and just clarifying, I had checked fuses marked with red lines (in fuse list photo) where (BAT) is written in bottom row (towards floor of car) with shining flashlight through mini fuse for unbroken wire inside.
Question 1.
Is the fuse circled in blue which says 5A meter (IGN) should be checked? I will check this in the morning and inform you of the result.
Question 2:
I think in fuses photo the topmost row are spare fuses, correct?
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Monday, January 24th, 2022 AT 8:56 PM
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I confirm the fuse 5A meter (IGN) is intact.
Just a question, I don't mind checking, but if IGN=ignition fuse was out, how come my car was starting and I was driving. This is why I had only checked BAT=Battery fuses as mentioned above.
Just to rule out other possibilities, I want to remove bolt of negative terminal on current sensor assembly (Nissan 294G0C990C) and reassemble by again testing the 4 pins resistance, this time taken off the negative post of battery. What are your thoughts? Please inform me along with next steps. Thanks for your time and help.
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Tuesday, January 25th, 2022 AT 9:24 AM
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That is correct. This fuse is for the ignition switch control in the ECM. So, if that fuse were an issue, then the ignition switch would not work.

As for what you are thinking, I like the idea. However, I suspect we are down to a battery current sensor.

The way to confirm it is using a scan tool that can monitor the ECM data and see what it is reading as the battery state of charge.
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Tuesday, January 25th, 2022 AT 10:42 AM
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Thanks, please see attached image of self-diagnosis result and OBD codes, it points to an issue of ECM I think with U1040 DTC. A question, is it advisable to reset ECM? By touching both terminals (after removing from respective posts) to bleed Capacitor? I don't know if the current sensor is bad then it will again show up as battery warning light, but if it is retaining somehow memory of old OEM battery current state then by this time or in these many drive cycles it should have been re-learnt or re-written!
With due respect to professionals, Dealer wanted to replace Alternator first and then maybe current sensor and then maybe ECM. This is trial and error, in older cars without ECU/ECM, the battery icon meant charging or alternator issue but with ECU/ECM it could be corrupt memory so like laptop/pc a reboot may be necessary. Of course, this is my personal opinion based on logic.
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Tuesday, January 25th, 2022 AT 11:30 AM
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You can definitely try the capacitive discharge. This is when you remove the cables and touch them together.

However, just to make sure we are on the same page, all the sensor does is measure the current that is flowing through the battery. This is how the sensor can calculate the battery state of charge.

On modern vehicles this info is sent to the ECM, and it helps determine charging needs. If the sensor is not accurate then it can cause the battery light to come on.

However, the light coming on is because the ECM is seeing the charging system/overall system voltage is low. This could be due to an actual issue that it is low, or it thinks it is low which could be a sensor or ECM issue.

If you had the alternator load tested and it passed, then I would go with the sensor at this point.
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Tuesday, January 25th, 2022 AT 12:44 PM
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Kenny thanks for all your efforts! As you can see my first post in #9 I had suspected and asked the question of current sensor. But there were no OBD codes. Shouldn't there be P0517 DTC code? On Self-diagnosis for BCM there is no DTC
On self-diagnosis of ECM, I do not see Battery state of charge DTC (from researching various code #s with my limited understanding or ignorance),
My logic wants to investigate if a reset or capacitive discharge yields which result. Will this harm the situation is my question?
I can even disconnect both terminals and not connect back to battery for about 24 h (that is remove battery out of system for 24 h), will this erase Key Fob codes for normal operation? Also, I have OEM remote start on key FOB will that work?
Or what would be erased out which is needed for normal driving of car?
I understand ECM will have to relearn some engine parameters but that is ok, I have patience. However, I do not grasp or understand the drawbacks of such reset or capacitive discharge. Without any strings attached if you could give your insight or point me in right direction I am happy to educate myself.
I just made a grocery and hardware store short trip of about 10 miles and other than battery icon on dash everything including heat, turn signals etc ran smooth. This thing is really perplexing for me.
I will read up on how current sensor goes bad perhaps with high current and then is there no surge/spike protection? Really confusing! BTW is this the correct part # Nissan 294G0C990C for the identified issue? Please inform when you can. Thanks.
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Tuesday, January 25th, 2022 AT 3:24 PM

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