Air only blows through front vents

Tiny
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  • 2006 PONTIAC G6
  • 3.9L
  • V6
  • 2WD
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  • 335,000 MILES
This issue started about a month ago; I have read most of the forums and the common causes for this; I have changed out all three actuators (blend, re-circulation, and air temp) plus installed a new climate control unit (automatic) and none of them fixed the issue. I even tried to manually bypass the issue by moving the blend door knob myself and while I heard the door open and shut the air still only comes from the defrost and floor; already put a lot of work into this problem myself! Any ideas as to what else it could be? Vacuum issue? Line cracked; where is that located in hood and where should I look?

I also have already checked and all fuses are good.
Tuesday, July 30th, 2019 AT 12:55 PM

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Tiny
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Good afternoon,

There is a mode door motor that controls the mode operations.

Attached is the procedure and some pictures as well.

Roy

REMOVAL PROCEDURE
1. Remove the fuse labeled HVAC CTRL (BATT).
2. Completely open instrument panel (I/P) compartment door by pressing both tabs that support the stop bumpers. Refer to Compartment Replacement - Instrument Panel (I/P) in Instrument Panel, Gages and Console.
3. Remove the mode actuator wire harness connector.

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4. Remove the mode actuator screws.

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5. Remove the mode actuator.
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Tuesday, July 30th, 2019 AT 2:04 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for taking the time to respond. However, if you see above in my first post, I have already replaced all three actuators including the blend door one first, even when it is off and you plug it in, it is not getting any power. Part was new from GM.
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Tuesday, July 30th, 2019 AT 3:16 PM
Tiny
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Got it.

I see nothing about the mode door actuator. Did you replace that?

Did you calibrate the actuators?

When you tested for power, did you check the voltage? A test light will not work as you are looking at 5 volts.

Roy
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Tuesday, July 30th, 2019 AT 3:24 PM
Tiny
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On the G6 there are three actuators; the blend door is near the glove box. I replaced it first. It is also called the mode actuator which is the one you sent me a procedure for. The air temperature one is under the steering wheel which I tested and it works fine. I also replaced the re-circulation actuator to the top right of the glove box under the dash. My Haynes repair manual says that the actuators are self calibrating after 13 seconds, but yes I tried that as the book stated. Turn key to on position to let them re-calibrate.

I also replaced the climate control unit too with a new one and it did nothing to correct the issue.

I also read that you can check it manually by grabbing the plastic gear piece to open the door yourself which I did on the blend/mode actuator and opened and closed it but the air direction doesn't change--only defrost and floor.

I tested for power by plugging in the actuator and holding it in my hand. A forum I read said you should be able to see the plastic move. Neither my old part or new part moved at all, that is the small slot that goes over the plastic gear inside the car. The issue arose after I had cleared the check engine light using my Scan OBDII code reader so perhaps I shorted it out or something? It wasn't automatic it just stopped blowing through the vents a short time after I cleared the code.

How should I check for power?
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Tuesday, July 30th, 2019 AT 3:41 PM
Tiny
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I highlighted the wires that need 5 volts. Test for power to the actuators.

What code did you clear? What repairs were done?

As far as calibration, you need to remove the HVAC fuse for 2 minutes, then install and turn the key on for 2 minutes for the control unit to calibrate the actuators. Did you hear the actuators move?

Roy
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Tuesday, July 30th, 2019 AT 3:47 PM
Tiny
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The code I cleared was POO53 which is the one for my O2 sensor. I have already replaced the 02 sensors all of them and my local mechanic said sometimes it will still pull the code.

I have not removed the HVAC fuse for 2 minutes or in that way; I will try that when I get home and then listen for the actuators to move. I will also check those wires you highlighted. Thanks for helping me. I will update later once I get home to calibrate the actuators.

Before I do which fuse is it? There are several in my manual that says HVAC blower motor etc, is it the main one in the engine compartment?
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Tuesday, July 30th, 2019 AT 3:52 PM
Tiny
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I just removed the HVaC fuses left them out for 2 minutes then turned key to "on" as you said. I heard the actuators move both the two on the passenger side (blend/mode and re-circulation). The air still only blows through defrost and floor. Super cold and blower speed is perfectly fine.
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Tuesday, July 30th, 2019 AT 4:08 PM
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Anyone of the HVAC fuses is fine. It is just making the module forget the settings of the old actuators.

As far as the 53 code, the sensor is rarely the issue. I listed the possibilities below for the code to set. No, it will not still pull the code at all. It sounds like he guessed at the failure instead of doing the correct diagnostic.

Roy

P0053
Descriptor
Probable Causes
Diagnose Other DTCs First
Fuse
HO2S Bank 1 Sensor 1 Fuse
Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) 1
Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) 1 Heater Low Control Circuit Open or High Resistance
Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) 1 Ignition 1 Voltage Circuit Short to Ground
Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) 1 Intermittent Condition or Poor Connection
Powertrain Control Module (PCM)
Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Intermittent Condition or Poor Connections

Description

DTC P0053

CIRCUIT DESCRIPTION
Heated oxygen sensors (HO2S) are used for fuel control and post catalyst monitoring. Each HO2S compares the oxygen content of the surrounding air with the oxygen content of the exhaust stream. When the vehicle is first started, the powertrain control module (PCM) operates in an Open Loop mode, ignoring the HO2S signal voltage when calculating the air-to-fuel ratio. The PCM supplies the HO2S with a reference, or bias, voltage of about 450 mV. The HO2S generates a voltage within a range of 0-1,000 mV that fluctuates above and below bias voltage once the sensor reaches operating temperature. A high HO2S voltage output indicates a rich fuel mixture. A low HO2S voltage output indicates a lean mixture. Heating elements inside the HO2S minimize the time required for the sensors to reach operating temperature and to provide an accurate voltage signal. The PCM controls the HO2S 1 heater low control circuit with a low side driver. The PCM commands the heater ON or OFF to maintain a specific HO2S operating temperature range. The PCM determines the temperature by measuring the current flow through the heater. When the heater is in the ON state, the PCM will pulse the heater OFF for a duration of 50 ms per second. When the heater is in the OFF state, the PCM will pulse the heater ON for a duration of 50 ms once per second. If the PCM detects that the HO2S 1 heater low control circuit current level is not within the calibrated range, DTC P0053 will set for bank 1 sensor 1.

The HO2S 1 has the following circuits:
- The HO2S 1 high signal circuit
- The HO2S 1 low reference circuit
- The HO2S 1 ignition 1 voltage circuit
- The HO2S 1 heater low control circuit

DTC DESCRIPTOR
This diagnostic procedure supports the following DTC:
DTC P0053 HO2S Heater Resistance Bank 1 Sensor 1

CONDITIONS FOR RUNNING THE DTC
- The ignition is OFF for more than 10 hours.
- The ECT Sensor parameter minus the IAT Sensor parameter is less than 8°C (14°F) at engine start-up.
- The ECT Sensor parameter is between -30 and +45°C (-22 and +133°F) at engine start-up.
- The system voltage is between 9-18 volts.
- This diagnostic runs one time per valid cold start when the above conditions are met.

CONDITIONS FOR SETTING THE DTC
The PCM detects that the HO2S 1 heater calculated resistance is not within an expected range at engine start-up for 1 second.

ACTION TAKEN WHEN THE DTC SETS
- The control module illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) on the second consecutive ignition cycle that the diagnostic runs and fails.
- The control module records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The first time the diagnostic fails, the control module stores this information in the Failure Records. If the diagnostic reports a failure on the second consecutive ignition cycle, the control module records the operating conditions at the time of the failure. The control module writes the operating conditions to the Freeze Frame and updates the Failure Records.

CONDITIONS FOR CLEARING THE MIL/DTC
- The control module turns OFF the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) after 3 consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail.
- A current DTC, Last Test Failed, clears when the diagnostic runs and passes.
- A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other emission related diagnostic.
- Clear the MIL and the DTC with a scan tool.
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Tuesday, July 30th, 2019 AT 4:09 PM
Tiny
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There is no more code and hasn’t been on in over a month. I’m not overly concerned about the o2 sensor issue, lol. I just want my ice cold AC (it is my AC compressor and refrigerant were replaced new less than 6 months ago) to blow out the front vents. Is the issue you are describing would it effect my HVAC?

I’m at a loss for what could be causing only the vents to not work?
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Tuesday, July 30th, 2019 AT 4:39 PM
Tiny
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You need to do the tests on the actuators.

Roy
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Tuesday, July 30th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM
Tiny
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How do I test them per your idea?
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Wednesday, July 31st, 2019 AT 11:22 AM
Tiny
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You need a voltmeter and test the wires I have highlighted for the 5 volt reference on all the actuators.

Let me know the results.

Roy
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Wednesday, July 31st, 2019 AT 12:56 PM
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Okay, I’ll do that and let you know. Thanks.
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Wednesday, July 31st, 2019 AT 1:13 PM
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You are welcome.

Always glad to help.

Roy
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Wednesday, July 31st, 2019 AT 1:18 PM

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