A/C cycling when hot

Tiny
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  • 2006 MERCURY MARQUIS
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  • 121,000 MILES
A/C works fine until car reaches operating temperature. Then it starts cycling rapidly and I notice the fan doesn't come on.
Thursday, July 23rd, 2020 AT 1:56 PM

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Tiny
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I think you have two issues. First you have a possible low pressure in the A/C system which is causing the short cycling. Second the fan not coming on is another issue that will cause poor performance. However, it will not cause the short cycling.

So let's make sure the A/C is properly charged using a gauge set. Let me know what the pressures are and we can go from there.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-air-conditioner-not-working-or-is-weak

As for the fan not coming on, let's start with checking power at the fan and then back track through the system to find where we do have power. If you have power then the fan motor is the issue.

Let us know what you find with all this and we can go from there. Thanks
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Thursday, July 23rd, 2020 AT 2:21 PM
Tiny
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I should have explained this better. Everything works great until the car reaches operating temperature. Fans, A/C and all are perfect. It gets to a certain temperature and then the A/C starts cycling and it appears the fan isn't working. Like a relay or sensor is getting hot and failing.
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Thursday, July 23rd, 2020 AT 3:54 PM
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Okay. So we need to treat these separate and fix one and if it fixes both that is great but if not, we can move onto the next. Let's start with the compressor short cycling. That is normally caused by low Freon. So let's check the pressures with the engine on and A/C running and go from there. The next thing that causes this is if the evaporator is frozen. So you should be able to tell this is frozen the lines going through the firewall will freeze up as well.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-air-conditioner-not-working-or-is-weak

Let me know what the pressures are when the engine is running and A/C is on and then keep monitoring it until it starts short cycling if the pressures are correct based on this chart.
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Thursday, July 23rd, 2020 AT 6:59 PM
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System starts out at low 45 and high side 200-210 as it get hot it expands to 75 and 425 and then it starts cycling. System was evacuated and 24oz was put in system. It holds 27 so I don't think overcharged. Orifice tube was taken out and cleaned while before evac and recharge. Not a lot of debris but a little.
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Saturday, July 25th, 2020 AT 5:45 AM
Tiny
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I have also noticed that when the car first starts with A/C on the radiator fan is running pretty fast but as the car runs the fan slows and that's when the problem begins and the pressures start to build.
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Saturday, July 25th, 2020 AT 6:20 AM
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Does the engine overheat at all? When the A/C starts to blow warm what is the engine temperature?

I am wondering if high engine temp is causing the pressure to build in the A/C system. Heat from the radiator will cause the condenser temperature to go up and this causes the A/C pressures to raise as well.

Clearly the other cause of both sides being high is an overcharged system and I think you are correct that this is not the case if you evacuated the system. Just to make sure, did you pull it into a vacuum and have it hold it for about an hour when you evacuated it?
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Saturday, July 25th, 2020 AT 5:32 PM
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Car does not overheat except when the A/C is on. The ac blows cold and good until it starts cycling from too much pressure. I can run car all day long with ac off and not have an issue.
I did evac and recharge system and again it calls for 27 oz and I only put in 24oz. With about an oz of dye. That should be plenty to work properly and not be overcharged. Scenario goes like this. Start can and run with A/C off and no issues. Turn on A/C and it works fine until it starts to build pressure and then when it reaches about 400 on the high side the system starts cycling and then the car starts to overheat. I have hot wired fans so they ran full blast and then started system and it did not keep system from building excess pressure. I am thinking blockage somewhere in the system that increases as system heats up but not sure if its compressor, accumulator or condenser and don't have an issue replacing all three but don't want to do that to find out it's another issue.
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Saturday, July 25th, 2020 AT 5:48 PM
Tiny
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I did clean the orifice tube and there was a little bit of debris in it but not what you would expect to find if the system was blocked but seen some pretty crazy stuff before so nothing would surprise me. Thanks and ill wait to hear from you.
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Saturday, July 25th, 2020 AT 5:50 PM
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Yes, I did pull vacuum and let sit for an hour maybe a little more.
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Saturday, July 25th, 2020 AT 5:53 PM
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Okay. I am not saying you are wrong because that can be happening, but I want to clarify something you said. You said it does not overheat unless you turn the A/C on. Does that mean the engine overheats when you turn the A/C on or the A/C system is "overheating" and starting to blow warm.

If the engine is starting to overheat when you turn the A/C system that could be the source of you then A/C issue. Basically if the radiator is clogged/restricted then it will run fine until you add the additional load to the engine of the compressor. Then the engine starts to overheat. This additional heat in the coolant/radiator is not allowing the Freon in the A/C system to cool down and it starts to rise in pressure and not blow cold any longer.

Basically I think you have a cooling system issue that is leading to the A/C system issue, assuming you have an engine overheat when the A/C is on.

Normally a restriction in the A/C system will cause low pressures as it prevents the compressor from building the pressure.

The fact that this works fine until the engine gets hotter makes me think that is the issue. Does this make sense?
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Sunday, July 26th, 2020 AT 6:02 AM
Tiny
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The car overheats with A/C on and the pressures in the A/C skyrocket causing the A/C to stop working. Thanks and I will let you know what I find.
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Sunday, July 26th, 2020 AT 7:04 AM
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Yeah. That makes sense so hopefully we will find the issue in the cooling system and that will cause the A/C to stop skyrocketing. I will wait to hear back. Thanks
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Sunday, July 26th, 2020 AT 7:35 PM

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