Transmission shifting

Tiny
AURELIO55
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  • 2007 HONDA ACCORD
  • 4 CYL
  • FWD
  • MANUAL
  • 140,000 MILES
My car has a five speed manual transmission. It is getting hard to put into first gear and a little hard shifting into second. When I stop at a red light I always put it into neutral then shift into first when it turns green, but lately most of the time it is kind of hard to put into gear. I also have to push in the clutch like 98% down. I have check the master cylinder and it does not appear to be leaking. Does anyone know what could be causing this problem?
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Wednesday, April 8th, 2015 AT 6:40 PM

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Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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This is caused by a clutch disc that is coming apart which makes it hard to shift into first gear. Here is a guide that will give you an idea on how to change the disc

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-a-clutch

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/clutch-doesnt-work-sometimes-or-not-at-all

By the way, have you checked the transmission fluid?

Please let us know what you find.

Cheers
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Wednesday, April 8th, 2015 AT 7:21 PM
Tiny
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The clutch fluid is full, I did have to fill it because when I did have to fill it because when I first checked it it was half full. I think it was low because the cap was very loose. I think because when I bought the car used, I had it checked out and they may have left it loose. I have not checked if it shifts easy with the engine off, but will do it today. Also, I have not checked the transmission gear oil to see if it low.
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Thursday, April 9th, 2015 AT 3:23 AM
Tiny
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Check the transmission fluid first. Also, let me know if it shifts easily when the engine is off.
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Thursday, April 9th, 2015 AT 8:24 AM
Tiny
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I will check the fluid level. Also, I checked the shifting with engine off and it went through each gear just fine.
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Thursday, April 9th, 2015 AT 12:29 PM
Tiny
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One more thing to note; the problem seems worse in the afternoon after work when the temperature is warmer. Not sure if that would also be a factor if the problem is a low fluid level?
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Thursday, April 9th, 2015 AT 12:32 PM
Tiny
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That should not be affected by the temperatures. When you check the transmission fluid, not only make sure it is full, but also make sure that it is clean and in good condition.
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Thursday, April 9th, 2015 AT 5:57 PM
Tiny
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I changed my transmission fluid with Honda brand fluid and the slave cylinder fluid is full. It shifted well for about a day, but now it is getting hard to but back into first gear. What puzzles me is that it is inconsistent, could it a linkage issue or do I need to bleed the slave cylinder?
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Wednesday, April 29th, 2015 AT 3:36 PM
Tiny
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Yes, if it was replaced, it should have been bled.
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Wednesday, April 29th, 2015 AT 6:46 PM
Tiny
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The slave cylinder was not replaced, it was the transmission fluid that was replaced. I am trying to do process of elimination, I just do not know how it could be shifting normal and it seems like it gradually got to where now I am having these issues with the shifting. Last resort I will take it to a shop if I have to, its just that right now money is kind of tight and some times shops are not always honest. That is why I really appreciate your help and this site.
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Wednesday, April 29th, 2015 AT 7:15 PM
Tiny
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I would question the slave or the clutch master cylinder. I thought they were already replaced.
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Thursday, April 30th, 2015 AT 10:43 AM
Tiny
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I think you are right it seems to be coming down to that., I will try to bleed it first and if I have to I found a place that will perform the transmission check for free. Will let you know how it turns out once I can get it there next week. Thank you very much.
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Thursday, April 30th, 2015 AT 6:08 PM
Tiny
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I will watch for your reply. I have to be honest, if the transmission was not abused, it will long outlast the vehicle. I doubt that is the problem, but one never knows for sure until it is checked. Plus, if it shifts easily into first gear with the engine off, I really feel the slave or master cylinder are not fully disengaging the clutch. Thus, making it hard to shift into first. Once the car is moving, it does not play as much of a role.
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Sunday, May 3rd, 2015 AT 7:24 PM
Tiny
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I am going to try and get it checked out by this shop this week since they claim the transmission inspection is free. Will let you know how it turns out.
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Monday, May 4th, 2015 AT 7:51 AM
Tiny
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Let me know. Do not let them talk you into a transmission until we are certain.
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Wednesday, May 6th, 2015 AT 6:56 PM
Tiny
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Okay, thanks.
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Thursday, May 7th, 2015 AT 11:25 AM
Tiny
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Well I got the transmission checked out, but when I told the tech what it was doing he said it sounded like a hydraulic problem. He bled the slave cylinder but it did not get better. I questioned that he just had me press the clutch peddle down once while he bled it and he said that was all that was required on a hydraulic clutch. I have read that you pump it about five times, hold it down then bleed it with a hose attached on the bleeder bolt and the other end in a clear jar with dot 3 fluid in it to prevent air going back in. Can you please confirm which is the proper way to do this? By the way he said it may need the clutch master and slave cylinder replaced because they may be weak, and he gave me an estimate of $700.00. Which I will not do that until I am sure that is the problem, because he also said that it may be weak springs on the clutch. I want to try to bleed it again myself since I saw him do it, the slave cylinder is easy to get to, it is right up from and can get to it from the top looking down.
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Friday, May 8th, 2015 AT 12:49 PM
Tiny
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When you bleed brakes, you need to pump the brakes several times before opening the bleeder. On a clutch, once is enough. Also, as long as the clutch pedal is not released until the bleeder is tightened, no air will enter the system. If the clutch pedal is released with the bleeder open, it will then draw air into the system.

Your idea with having the fluid in a jar so it cannot draw air back in will work too.
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Sunday, May 10th, 2015 AT 7:21 PM
Tiny
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I replaced the slave cylinder and it still gets hard to put into gear after driving a few miles. The pedal is not really soft but I still have to press it all the way down and sometime pump it. Do I have to use Honda break fluid, I used Prestone synthetic break fluid. Now if the fluid is not he problem could it be the clutch master cylinder? It does not leak, but the system feels like it does not have enough pressure so maybe it is the master cylinder? Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Aurelio55
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Monday, July 13th, 2015 AT 7:53 PM
Tiny
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I also have an Accord SE sedan four cylinder five speed manual transmission, with 90,000 miles. I have been finding my transmission very notchy, mostly for second and third gear. It seems to come and go. I have not tried to do anything about it yet, but obviously I have some concerns since I Googled the problem and found your post. Let me know if you learn anything else.
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Friday, July 17th, 2015 AT 1:53 PM
Tiny
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I am going to install the new clutch master cylinder tomorrow and last week I replaced the slave cylinder. I will let you know how it turned out and what I found was the problem, which I think it is the master cylinder. I hope.
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Friday, July 17th, 2015 AT 7:52 PM

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