2003 Ford Taurus Stalling

Tiny
DENNISHOWERTON
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  • 2003 FORD TAURUS
  • 3.0L
  • V6
  • FWD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 100,000 MILES
Stalling started 2 days ago. Car was warmed up, driving, stopped at light and car died. Tried to restart, turned over, would not run - as if getting no gas. Engine, oil, battery and TRANSAXEL light on. Waited a few minutes, car started right up, no lights on, drove home fine, just a few blocks. Next morning started right up, ran an errand, about fifteen minutes, when car warmed up, it stalled again. Same lights on as before. Tried to start, turns over but would not run. Waited a few minutes, started - died again - restarted, with foot on gas - car runs beautifully - but dies if I don't keep foot on gas, Drove over to AutoZone, to see if they would check computer (Engine Light) for codes - IN CALIFORNIA they evidently do not provide this service. Car died once again if I didn't keep foot on gas while braking.

Looked up "2003 Taurus stalling" and several sites reported stories of "bad pvc tubing". Removed pvc valve and tubing, all looked good - no cracks in tube, no oil leaking, pvc valve "rattles" when shaken - I am assuming that this means valve is ok. Looked around for bad tubing, didn't find any.

I need some help. On disability and really can't afford to take to Ford Dealer and pay several hundred dollars for them to spend hours "looking" for problem and then telling me I need a $1000.00+ repair. I can repair / replace almost anything, if I knew what to replace. Sounds like a vacuum problem? But don't know what to check, If a fuel line filter problem, would car run so great, with foot on gas? If I can fix myself, I would be more than happy to "donate" for the help. Thanks.
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Wednesday, November 26th, 2014 AT 12:13 PM

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Tiny
HMAC300
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Try cleaning throttle plate on both sides and iac hole with choke cleaner first then if still doing it check fuel pressure with a gauge most auto parts rent it.
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Wednesday, November 26th, 2014 AT 12:15 PM
Tiny
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A CODE SCANNER AIN'T ALL THAT EXPENSIVE

EVEN A LOW END ONE WILL GIVE YOU THE CODE NUMBERS WITHOUT ALL OF THE OTHER BELLS AND WHISTLES THE HIGHER PRICED ONES HAVE

IF YOU OR YOUR PALS ARE GONNA DRIVE THESE NEW FANGLED CARS, IT WON'T HURT TO HAVE ONE. YOU CAN RENT IT TO YOUR PALS TO PAY FOR IT! I FINALLY BROKE DOWN AND GOT MY OWN FOR THE WIFE'S FORD ESCAPE, SEEMS IT'S HELPED MY PALS MOST OF ALL AND EXPEDITED THEIR REPAIRS

THIS SITE, OR THIS OTHER SITE COULD AID YOU WITH THE MEANINGS

Obd-codes.com

THEN OF COURSE, COME BACK TO SEE US TO GET IT ALL FIGURED OUT!

CODES ARE THE VERY 1ST THING TO ADDRESS, BEFORE YOU START SLINGING NEW PARTS AT YOUR ENGINE. THIS WILL STEER YOU IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ONE, MY OWN EXPERIENCE WITH THE WIFEY'S RIG, ANOTHER POSSIBILITY FOR STALLING

http://www.2carpros.com/questions/2005-ford-escape-rough-idle-at-low-rpm

YOU ARE GONNA USE THROTTLE BODY CLEANER FOR THE TASK

LET US KNOW HOW YOU ARE COMING ALONG

THE MEDIC

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Wednesday, November 26th, 2014 AT 8:34 PM
Tiny
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Thanks, appreciate the help. Checked the air filter, is dirty so bought a new one and some Throttle Body Cleaner (CRC). Took off air canister and looked at throttle plate, seems clean enough but noticed it was very stiff to manually open. Only experience I have is with old carburetor plate, that I remember as opening very easily. Checked the transmission fluid level (remember "TRANSAXEL" light was on when it stalled) and it was low. Still showed on stick, but put in a little over a pint to bring up to almost top of "hash" marks. Then drove the car to auto parts store, 12 miles, NO STALLS, and bought cleaner and air filter. Stopped at a garage, that repaired my a/c a while back, he checked the computer, NO CODES STORED. Returned home, NO STALLS. I will take back apart and use cleaner on plate and the " AIC" hole. Should I take off the AIC? Clean and put back on. This is what the garage said they would do if I brought it back to them next Thursday. PROBLEM: wife needs car Saturday and next week for work, which sometimes includes hauling kids, that she watches, around. I need to fix this stalling problem today, so will do cleaning and put back together. I am very uncomfortable letting her drive the car without me finding "something wrong". Can it really be just a dirty throttle plate? Could me "manually" opening the plate a couple of times really "fix" the stalling problem? I will clean throttle plate and aic and drive for at least a half hour to make sure it doesn't die. Anything else I should do? Thanks Again!
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Thursday, November 27th, 2014 AT 1:30 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for the advice. Took air filter off, checked throttle plate, stiff but looks clean, put back together. Checked and filled transmission fluid (remember the TRANAXEL light was one that came on during the stall), then drove 12 miles to auto parts store and back, NO STALLS. A garage, who fixed my a/c a while back, checked the computer, NO CODES STORED. Will clean throttle plate and aic hole and then drive for a half hour to check for stalls. The day before it stalled half-a-dozen times, to the same part of town.
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Thursday, November 27th, 2014 AT 1:42 PM
Tiny
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IF YOU ARE NEW TO THIS STUFF, YOU ARE DOIN' REALLY GOOD!

DON'T YOU MISS THE CARBURETORS? (IT'S REALLY NOT TOO LATE TO GO BACK!)

THE LAST CODE I GOT IN EITHER OF MY JEEPS WAS MORSE CODE COMING OVER THE CB!

I'VE BEEN TRYIN' TO TALK THE WIFE INTO AN EVERYDAY CLASSIC DRIVER, SOMETHING THAT WILL STILL TURN HEADS AND STILL BE EVER SO INEXPENSIVE AND EZ TO TO MAINTAIN

BOTH OF US CAN STILL MANUALLY LOCK THE DOORS AND REMEMBER TO TURN OFF THE HEADLIGHTS. WE ALSO KNOW HOW TO BRAKE AND AVOID ACCIDENTS WITHOUT A PULSATING PEDAL AND STOPPING AT IT'S OWN PACE. HECK, I DON'T EVEN HAVE POWER STEERING OR POWER BRAKES IN MY '77 OR '46 (TWO LESS THINGS TO GO WRONG!), I CANNOT THINK OF ONE SINGLE INCIDENT WHEREAS I LOCKED MY KEYS IN ONE. I COULD KEEP ON GOING WITH THESE UN-NECESSITIES OF TODAY!

KEEP US POSTED ON YOUR PROGRESS

THE MEDIC
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Thursday, November 27th, 2014 AT 4:15 PM
Tiny
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Thanks, I'm trying. This was a lot easier on my first car, back in 1963, a '30 Model A. Carried a rebuilt carb under the back seat with a pair of pliers. If it stalled you just lift the hood and replace the carb - then back on ur way.

Anyway, started to clean throttle plate and before I started there is a label on the trottle body "do not clean throttle body or adjust stop screw"?
Now what? The cleaner I bought is for throttle with Teflon coating. Is the label just warning me to make sure I don't use brake cleaner on the Teflon?
Is it safe for me to use this cleaner? Or do I have to have shop do this?
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Thursday, November 27th, 2014 AT 8:54 PM
Tiny
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. AND WHAT'D THE LABEL ON THE CLEANER SAY?

THIS IS WHERE

WE

WAKE

UP

Hmac300!

COME IN Hmac300, COME IN, OVER!

THE MEDIC
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Thursday, November 27th, 2014 AT 9:11 PM
Tiny
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Normally cj I don't answer the question after you have. But in reference to what it says on label, there is not throttle stop for you to adjust and the cleaner is safe for throttle plates that are coated with Teflon. It is safe for you to use this cleaner.
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Friday, November 28th, 2014 AT 6:34 AM
Tiny
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Thank you very much for the help. Cleaned the throttle, body and aic. All were dirty (like greasy soot) and have probably never been cleaned.

Some background: car is father-in-laws, 89 year old vet, told he couldn't drive last year and since then my wife and I have had the car. We have done two oil changes in the past year, have driven the car only to take him back and forth from assisted care, to the va for treatments, and back to assisted care. Take him out weekly for lunches, dinners, etc. The car was purchased used with roughly 50,000 miles on it - eight years ago. I would guess it never had a 30k, 50-60k, 90-100k service. Tires, brakes and a couple of starters. We have put about 5000 miles on it in two years.

Anyway, test drive after cleaning, STALLED AGAIN. Went over engine again, couldn't find anything. Had my wife and daughter come out and listen, they said they heard "Hissing". Checked all the lines again, when I moved the pvc tube they said the hissing got worse. Pulled the pvc (for the third time) and finally saw a tear on the inside of the small tube where it connects to the large end that connects to the engine. Replaced pvc tube connector, test drive - NO STALLS. 30 minute test drive, only problem was a "hiccup" and "Jerk" going up a 6 percent grade (at 3000 rpm). Quickly returned to normal and nothing more all the way home. NO STALLS.

It would appear the problem was a very small tear in the pvc tubing. Does that make sense to you? Only when engine warmed up? The trips from my house, to assisted care, to the va is roughly ten miles, the car "just" has the time to warm up when we arrive. Then sits (and cools down) for at least an hour at the va, then return home. Maybe that is why this hasn't shown up before. Do you think I should do anything else? Again, Thanks for all the help.
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Friday, November 28th, 2014 AT 10:17 PM
Tiny
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The hissing you heard was a vacuum leak and yes it could cause the stalling. The computer will richen the mix up a little to try to overcome vacuum leaks because it sees the engine running lean. When it is cold it runs richer than normal so that is why you didn't probably get the stalling when cold only warm, because the computer couldn't richen the fuel mix enough. It wouldn't set a code either. You should see the fuel mileage improve a tad, not a lot. Just drive it as normal as the computer will relearn as you drive the car. If you have future trouble then scan for codes and check fuel pressure with a gauge and of course look for vacuum leaks like you have found.
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Saturday, November 29th, 2014 AT 6:41 AM
Tiny
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MANY TIMES A VACUUM LEAK WILL MAKE YOU IDLE GO UP HIGHER (THIS IS A SYMPTOM THAT MANY WHO ASK A QUESTION, WONDER WHY IT'S HIGHER) BUT ALONG WITH THE HIGHER IDLE OTHER PROBLEMS SOMETIMES RESULT TOO

MY DAD (AIR FORCE/ 20 YEARS) HAD THREE CANCERS RESULTING FROM AGENT ORANGE EXPOSURE, I LOST HIM JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.

I HAD THE HONOR OF DRIVING SENATOR JOHN DRUMMOND, NOW 95 YEARS OLD, AND MY BOSS, (WW II P-47 PILOT/ HERO/ SHOT DOWN IN FRANCE/ POW) IN THE VETERANS DAY PARADE, IN MY WILLYS JEEP. A FEW WEEKS AGO (HE'S MY CO-PILOT IN THE PARADE PIC BELOW)

IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE PROBLEMS (LIKE WHERE TO OBTAIN A JEEP TOO! LOL!)

BE SURE YOU COME BACK HERE- OR SEND YOUR BUDDIES!

THE MEDIC
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Saturday, November 29th, 2014 AT 10:11 AM
Tiny
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Thank You. Your help is greatly appreciated. Will keep my eyes open and my wife "listening" for anything unusual. Thanks again!
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Saturday, November 29th, 2014 AT 12:18 PM
Tiny
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How Awesome was that, Congrats. Thank You, again, for all the help. My father-in-law just "glows" when I pick him up in his Taurus, and for the "hundredth" time he tells me how "shinny and super" it looks, AND what a great car it is. It makes his day. Thanks for helping me get it running again!
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Saturday, November 29th, 2014 AT 12:30 PM

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