Engine won't start

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BONDO7777
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  • 1997 CHEVROLET SUBURBAN
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  • 129,000 MILES
Hi, My wifes suburban will not start. Turns over o.K. But will not fire. I put 5 gallons of gas in it and still wouldn't start. So I suspected the fuel filter. Change it and still wouldn't start. Put a new fuel pump relay in and again wouldn't start. I no that the fuel pump is in the gas tank and will be a pain to change. Am I missing something (control module)? What should I check to verify? Thanks Steve. Also It died while she was driving.
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RASMATAZ
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No start condition:

Get a helper disconnect a sparkplug wire or 2 and ground it to the engine -have helper crank engine over-do you have a snapping blue spark? If so-you have a fuel related problem, check the fuel pressure to rule out the fuel filter/fuel pump/pressure regulator and listen to the injector/s are they pulsing or hook up a noid light. No snapping blue spark continue to troubleshoot the ignition system-power input to the coil/coil packs, coil's resistances, distributor pick-up coil, ignition control module, cam and crank sensors and computer Note: If it doesn't apply disregard it
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TERRY4TARA
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  • V8
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I'm in Iarq and my wife said the suburban will not start. I was on thew phone while she was trying to start it, but it sounded like it was not getting fuel, but the neighbor came over and helped her by spraying starter filud and it still would not start. Could it be the pick-up coil, or the Ignition rotor.
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JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Hi:
If it doesn't start with starting fluid, chances are your original guess is correct, no spark. However, many things could cause it. Most commonly is the the crankshaft position sensor. Was the check engine light on prior to the problem?
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SUBURBANMAN97
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I have a 1997 Chevy Suburban 1500 4wheel drive, 5.7 liter. I've been having starting problems. It starts with no problem first thing in the morning. The problem is when I restart throughout the day, the first crank it turns over and sputters out after a few seconds. But on the second crank it starts right up. Why is that? Could it be the fuel pump or misfire?
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This may be one of hte trucks that has a fuel pump harness problem. You are withing the range of years that this happened. You needed to replace the last foot of harness and the connector is different. Check your fuel pressure though as it can be a fuel regulator or the pressure may be low. It should be at least 55 psi.
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ROB-BEERS
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I have a 1997 Chevy suburban 5.7 vin R, truck cranks but doesn't run and the chime operates normally except when the key is turned to run as it usually chimes for a few seconds during the light check
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*in addition to previous information mentioned, I installed a set of fog lights prior to the problem occuring, the switch is wired to the blower fuse in the engine compartment and some wire harnesses near the large module were disturbed, but wiggle testing with the key on does not produce any chime or affect start up. The injector sounds weak and intermittent. All fuses appear good, chime and no-run problem developed at exact same time
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Make sure the battery has a full charge and connections are good. Have a helper crank it, while you visually check for spark at the spark plugs. If you think there may be a problem with feed to ignition switch, that is two red wires, hot all the time, protected by maxi fuse 5 and maxi fuse 6 under the hood, fuse box. As far as the basics, make sure you have good spark and good fuel pressure. With multiple issues, I pick one circuit and backtrack.
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ROB-BEERS
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I have vast experience but no longer any tools after changing professions, I can have a helper crank to check for spark, but im looking more for any ideas with shared exsperiences or possible known tsb's. With the ignition chime and engine run inop at the same time especially after an aftermarket install im confident the two are related, I just dont even have a multimeter much less a scan tool to check anything with. I tried to find scematics online but noithing free pops up and the first pay site gave me a simple list of color codes for limited systems for $4 (rip-off). While im looking to see if there is a lack or spark and fuel which I suspect with a lack of chime theres a cause for the ecm to not be signaling any ignition, if you could gather whatever knowledge of this combination of failures you may have. Thanks
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ROB-BEERS
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Ok so the truck does get spark, there is no fuel and without diagnostic tools it appears the injector and pump are not being signaled on. So looking at everything working normal except the chime at start/run and the fuel same time.
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PANCAKE
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I have a 1997 suburban with vortec v8. Pulled fuel line to motor and recieving plenty of fuel. Checked spark and is getting spark. Motor turns over but wont start.I droped tank and removed pump and checked it and is working put pump back on and turned key many times to push fuel to motor and than tried to start and still no start.
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CARUNDELL
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Hey pancake,
Do you have any way to check fuel pressure?

Chris
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JDL
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If the chime doesn't have anything to do with ignition switch, then I don't about the chime. Keep your attitude to yourself.

Use a gage and check fuel pressure. I'm not a chime expert. Have a good day.
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JOSHM
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https://www.2carpros.com/forum/1997-k1500-starting-issues-vt22309.html?sid=6ea8b9f5d30f429632a26f3d1d345797

Read that post, I had the same problems.
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FORD MAN
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Sounds like a fuel problem. Do you hear the fuel pump come on after you turn the key on? Check the directions on the cover of the main power supply under the hood, you may have knocked something loose while wiring in those new lights.

Ford Man in Michigan
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KHLOW2008
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For testing electrical circuits, the minimum you need would be a test lamp which could be easily obtained from any parts store. Without any diagnostics tools, some diagnostic procedures cannot be performed and you are not going anywhere.

At the ignition switch, test for voltage at the Pink wire with ignition switch turned to ON and while cranking. If voltage is not available, the ignition switch is bad, unless both red wires does not have voltage as well, then JDL has mentioned the fuses to check. When power supply is interrupted, the chime would not work so a faulty ignition switch fits into it.

Forsman is correct about knocking some wires looe so it is not going to be easy except if you feel that it is related to the work you did, you have to back track and recheck connections.

For wiring circuits, I have attached the engine control wiring schematics. Had to break them up as the complete diagram is too small to be ligible. Hope it is helpful.
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CHICO1973
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Will not run with out my foot on the gas, and black smoke comes out of exhaust and the smell of gas is very strong as if it flooding out, the truck does not have converters. Could this be the maf sensor
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DOCFIXIT
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Matbe or fuel pressure to high or leaking injectors. Unplug MAF see if it corrects problem. Have you checked for codes?
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CHICO1973
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Well it run but rough still got a problem will the o2 sensor make it run rough. Still got the gas smell, as soon as I hooked maf sensor back up it died so that is one problem thanks. Still got issues
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