HOW DO I SHUT DOWN THE FUEL PUMP TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE FUEL FILTER ON A ?
1987 Chrysler New Yorker
September, 16, 2012 AT 8:30 PM
Hello, my New Yorker has been idling rough and has hesitation when I accelerate but once it gets going it runs fine. I did a tune up on it and nothing changed. Someone reccomended that I change the fuel filter since the car has been ran down to the bottom of the tank on numerous occasions. I've noticed the problem get worse each time I ran it to low fuel. The engine is a 2.2 liter 4 cylinder turbo. I am going to change the fuel filter myself but I cant figure out how to disable the fuel pump. I read online that the 87's dont have fuel pump relays but they do have an auto shutdown relay which shuts down the fuel pump. I just cant figure out where exactly it is on the car or how to disable it. Im pretty much just trying to find out exactly what I am supposed to do to get the fuel out of the lines so I can change out the fuel filter. I am also curious if you think the fuel filter is the problem and any other tips if it ends up not being the problem would be appreciated. Thank you.
Fuel filter is definitely not the problem. Other than on diesel trucks, you will never solve a running problem on a Chrysler product by replacing the fuel filter.
The automatic shutdown relay either runs the fuel pump directly or through another fuel pump relay, depending on the year and model. That relay only turns on for one second after turning on the ignition switch, (you'll hear the hum of the pump for that one second), and it turns on again when the engine is rotating, (cranking or running).
If you follow the service manual directions for bleeding down the fuel pressure, it involves powering the injector to dump the fuel into the intake manifold. Mechanics don't have that kind of time to waste and they don't want to have to charge you for that step. They just disconnect the filter and let the few tablespoons of gas spray out. It's all over before you know it.
September, 16, 2012 AT 9:32 PM
Ok thank you. If the fuel filter is not the problem then do you know what most likely could be the problem? It is a 4 cylinder 2.2 liter turbo engine with only 75,000 original miles. Sometimes I can smell fuel while im driving so I dont know if that has anything to do with it. It starts up just fine but then it will idle low/rough and when I give it gas it has a hard time getting going til I hit about 10mph then it runs fine. Any ideas on what this could be would be much appreciated, thank you.
September, 17, 2012 AT 3:55 AM
This sounds like how MAP sensors used to fail. The signal voltage is very precise and it doesn't have to be off by much to affect engine performance. Even though that voltage can be wrong, as long as it's between 0.5 and 4.5 volts no diagnostic fault code will be set. The Engine Computer will command fuel metering based on those incorrect voltages resulting in poor performance.
Be aware that if you try to find a used MAP sensor in a salvage yard, they are different for cars with turbos. Regular MAP sensors measure barometric pressure and intake manifold vacuum. With a turbo, those sensors have to also measure manifold pressure.
There was a recall related to the MAP sensors too. People didn't have a problem if they finished out the dollar after the gas pump kicked off or if they stuffed the gas tank, then drove 15 - 20 miles. It was when the pump kicked off, then they squeezed and squeezed to get more gas in, then parked it on a hot day. As the fumes expanded in the tank they worked their way through the evaporative emissions recovery hose to the charcoal canister, then up to the vacuum hoses. It's there the fumes would deteriorate the protective jelly in the MAP sensor.
The vacuum hose going to the MAP sensor, which sits near the right strut tower, is pretty long, and the fumes would condense and the resulting liquid dampened the vacuum signal. The fix in the recall was to cut both ends of that hose near its ends, install a pair of tees, and run a second hose in parallel to the original one. That doesn't seem logical but it worked. The theory was the air in the hoses would circulate and dry out the vapors. If you see a tee in the hose near the MAP sensor, that recall was done already.
Another potential cause of your problem is a jumped timing belt. One tooth off will be barely noticeable at highway speeds but it has a big effect at low speeds. Check the ignition timing. If it is excessively retarded that's because the distributor is driven off a sprocket run by the timing belt. Even if the ignition timing is right, it can be the belt just jumped on the camshaft sprocket.