Rough idle at start up

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The computer controls the timing based on crank and cam sensors. Have you checked for simple things like vacuum leaks? Has the check engine light come on with any codes?
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:27 PM (Merged)
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Get codes P0301 and P0316 once in a while. I have replaced injector #1, changed plugs, checked for vacuum leaks, cleaned mass air sensor, checked: coil, fuel pressure, intake air temp, coolant temp and egr valve. Nothing has changed.
Thanks, Lee
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:27 PM (Merged)
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Lee:
Have you ever checked compression in that cylinder? When steel heats, it expands. I wonder if you have a low compression problem only when cold. I know that is a stretch, but the only other thing is the PCM. If you have replaced plugs, injector, fuel pressure is good, and the injector is working properly, it has to be one or the other. One last thought, have you checked the temp sensor?
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:27 PM (Merged)
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Still have same problem. Why would the timing ever be set down to 3 degrees for about 20 seconds after starting. There must be some signal that is causing this.
Thanks, Lee
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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Hi the other day I took my daughter to the post office
on returning home I pulled up to a stoplight and my 2000 taurus started idleing rough I thought the car would die on me at the intersection but it didnt so when the light turned green I took off like always. It runs fine when driving but only when I stop like at a stoplight
the car again starst idleing rough again when I take off it's fine I cleaned the maf with maf cleaner I hope that would help but it did not. There is also no check engine lights on the car has always ran fine until now. Thanks any reply will be aprecieated thanks
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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I call that preventive maintenance. You did the right thing to clean the maf sensor because it is one of the sensor is most likely to cause that problem.
Beside that you have the IAC sensor and wiring.
The IAC is a kind of small nose for the engine to breath when the gas pedal is not pushed down, same as saying when coming to a stop. If that is malfunctioning, the car will feel like choking when idling.
In real life, we said"everybody is inocent until proven guilty" :-)
there is no code(s) right now, the car is driving fine so far.
Let me know as soon as possible there is other symptoms or engine light, so we can take care of it.
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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When engine is first started the Ignition advance is 10, it then goes to 12 deg and the rpm is 1508, 3/4 second later it goes to 8 deg and the rpm is 1609, 3/4 seconds later it is 5.5 deg and rpm is 1236, 3/4 seconds later it is 4 deg and rpm 1274, 3/4 seconds later it is 3 deg and rpm 1436, 3/4 seconds later it is 3 deg and rpm 1231, it stays at 3 deg for about 17 seconds and the rpm slowly moves down to around 900. The timing then goes to 6 deg, 3/4 seconds later 7.5 deg, 3/4 seconds later 9 deg, 3/4 seconds later 10.5 deg.
All the time during the timing being at 3 deg the engine runs rough. As soon as the timing gets back up above 10 deg it runs smooth and doesn't miss if you put it in drive.
All sensors are working according to the monitor.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks, Lee Jackson
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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What do I use to clean the iac sensor with. Can I use the same can of maf cleaner I have or does it require a diffrent cleaner. I will give it a good cleaning and see where it gets me thanks for your prompt reply for the first question.
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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Without being there this is a tough one. The PCM adjust ignition timing. If everything is working properly, that is my guess.
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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It is attached to the throttle body


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/46384_IAC_2.jpg



and look like this ,here seen in different positions


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/46384_ford_idle_1.jpg



When suspecting a IAC problems ,first perform a visual inspection.most problem can be found in wiring harnesses, conectors(oily or corroded connectors).
an unstable idle or stalling can be cause by vacuum leak or faulty PCV valve.in some cases just dirty electrical connections at the IAC can cause a problem.
***The IAC Valve Assembly is NOT ADJUSTABLE and CANNOT BE CLEANED
If physical evidence of contamination exists, install a new IAC valve.
Testing:
Key symptom is elevated idle speed while noise is occurring.
"Snapping" the throttle can induce the noise.
While the noise is occurring, place an EngineEAR probe near the IAC valve , If the IAC valve is making the noise, install a new IAC
removal:


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/46384_idle_removal_1.gif



if the vehicle still stall after testing or replacing the IAC, nest move will be to test the computer ground.
let me know .
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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Also, about 4 seconds after the timing goes down to 3 deg, the fuel sys1 goes from open loop to closed loop.
Don't know if that helps any!
Thanks, Lee Jackson
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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I have a 2000 taurus doing the same thing. I changed the MAF sensor and the IAC valve and the problem is still there. Just a heads up not to waste the money.
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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Could bad information from the knock sensor cause the timing to be set down to 3 deg for a short period of time? Is there any way to check or bypass the knock sensor?
Thanks again, Lee Jackson
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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Yes, the knock sensor os designed to adjust the ignition timing to its most efficient point. If it is bad, it could cause the timing to be adjusted incorrectly.
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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My girlfriends car (2000 Ford Taurus DOHC) had a similar sounding issue. It ended up being the lower plenum intake manifold gaskets. An easy way to check to see if this is the problem is to spray brake cleaner along the interface between the lower plenum and cylinder head (would also work by spraying brake cleaner between upper and lower plenum if the leak is in that region). The idle should pick up momentarily right after spraying the brake cleaner. The idle will go rough again after a second or two. However, if it reacts to this then odds are it's the intake gaskets. You can get a full set of intake gaskets for around $15 bucks at most auto parts stores.

The repair isn't too complicated and can be performed by a novice/average mechanic in around an hour and a half if great care is taken. Ensure to not get ANYTHING in the intake ports once the intake manifold is off.

Hope this helps someone.
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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Engine Performance problem
1999 Ford Taurus Front Wheel Drive Automatic

my 99 taurus, 3.0L, entech DOHC, developed a rough idle, service engine light is on.

Low mileage (88,900), very clean, nothing obvious wrong.

Any diagnostic suggestions appreciated.

UPDATE:
Had the controller scanned and have 2 codes;
P0171 System too lean (Bank 1)
P0174 System too lean (Bank 2)

Air leak? Gasket? Vacuum leak? Dirty throttle body?

Ideas on where to go from here much appreciated!
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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Start at the beginning and find the codes in the pcm and we can go from there.
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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I disconnected the knock sensor and nothing changed! Any other ideas?
Thanks, Lee Jackson
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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First thing to do is check yoru fuel pressure and scan for codes, start there. Then take your maf cleaner and clean teh throttle plate on both sides as they get gunked up with oil and cause similar problems. Then check for any vacuum hoses off or any hoses/valve cover connectors that are rubber for holes. Also there is tube that runs from the intake to the egr connectins that tends to get loose, you can either get anew part or try putting a zip tie on it and tightening itup, it wil last for a little while.
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Thursday, November 29th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM (Merged)
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I have a 1999 Ford Taurus that is having the same problem. Did you ever get an answer as to why this is happening and how to fix it?
Thanks.
Mike
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