Window not working

Tiny
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Hello, I have a rear passenger window that stopped working today. It went down, then would not come back up. Then a few hours later, it would not go up or down. I do hear a click when I push the switch down, but not when pushing it up.

I have voltage at the motor and tried replacing the window motor, but that did not change anything.

I pulled the switch from the other side of the vehicle and it did not change the symptoms.

I have around twelve volts on the meter when the switch is pressed down, however when I press it up the voltage jumps all over in the mV range but does not settle on a -12v like I expected it would.

I am a little stumped in where to dig into next.

the symptoms are the same if the switch is used on the drivers door to control the rear windows.

Any help would really be appreciated. Thanks!
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Wednesday, March 14th, 2018 AT 7:45 PM

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Tiny
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Good morning.

It sounds like the dark blue wire has a issue. It may be frayed or partially broken in the door.

The voltage should be battery voltage, not around twelve volts and be steady when commanded to work.

Inspect the wiring from the switch to the motor?

Roy
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 3:49 AM
Tiny
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I would inspect the track for bends or foreign objects jamming up the window. If there is nothing there, then disconnect the power plug to the motor and run direct power to it from the battery. It might be easier to do this if you pull the battery out and set it right next to the door in question. If the window still will not move, then you have just ruled out everything except the motor itself. I know you said that you replaced it, but you could have gotten a dud, especially if it was a used motor (you did not specify, so I assume it is a new one).

If the window does move when direct power is given, then suspect either a bad main switch (unlikely) or a problem with the wiring. There should be a rubber boot in the door jamb that protects the wires from rubbing. Sometimes these boots fail to actually protect them and they get shorted. Pull that boot back and see if you can see/feel any issues there.

Start with all that and let us know what you find.
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 3:50 AM
Tiny
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If I am understanding the schematic, I should have continuity between the brown wire from the switch to the motor, and the dark blue wire from the switch to the motor, correct?

I have continuity on the brown, but not the blue. (Used continuity setting on multi-meter) I just was not sure if there was anything else in the path that would cause it to not have a passive signal flow on that wire.
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 8:07 AM
Tiny
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The blue wire from the switch to the motor. That is what you need to be sure. That looks like the troubled wire.

Roy
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 8:14 AM
Tiny
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I forgot to mention that I do have +14 and -14 at the dark blue and green wiring in the wiring harness. These are the lower two connections in that clip. I believe they are feeding into the clip, rather than going to the motor.
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 8:25 AM
Tiny
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Okay, now check for that same voltage to the motor with the switch applied.

Roy
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 8:28 AM
Tiny
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I double checked the blue wire from the switch to the motor and do have continuity. I must have not had a good connection when I checked it last.
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 8:29 AM
Tiny
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Okay, If you have power and ground in both directions from the switch, that will leave only the motor or as the other tech said, the window track that will not allow the window to move.

Roy
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 8:32 AM
Tiny
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I must have missed something. I plugged a motor up to the switch without connecting it to the regulator and it only spins down, not up.
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 9:18 AM
Tiny
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Correct. Go over your measurements again. Especially when you command up.

Roy
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 10:35 AM
Tiny
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Thanks for the help and patience. I really appreciate it.

Pressing "up" yields the following:
-14v at the motor (green wire to blue wire at motor).
-0V from Blue wire on switch to blue wire at motor.

Pressing "down"
-14v at the motor (green wire to brown wire at motor).

Also, When I stick my multi-meter on the two wires at the motor clip, I get fourteen volts when pressing down, but not a steady voltage of any sort when pressing up.
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 11:05 AM
Tiny
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You need to ground your black lead to the body and do your checks. You are doing a voltage drop measurement.

Roy
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 11:12 AM
Tiny
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Would you be able to explain that a little further, I am not quite sure I am following correctly?
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 11:25 AM
Tiny
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Powers are reversed to run the motor up and down.

When you check for power, it will go from positive voltage to negative voltage. You need to check each wire for it function. When one wire is positive the other is negative and the other way around when the command is the other way.

You ground the black wire on your meter to the body and check for powers in both directions. The blue will be power in one direction but the ground in the other. To check for grounds put your black lead to a positive feed such as the feed to the switch and the red to the ground command from the switch.

Have you tried to switch the rear switches from side to side?

Roy
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 12:07 PM
Tiny
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I did pull the rear driver side switch and it does the same thing. The rear passenger switch does work both ways in the rear drivers side door though.
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 12:14 PM
Tiny
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Did you verify power to the switch without commanding any movement?

Roy
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 12:17 PM
Tiny
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There is power on the blue wire coming into the switch without commanding movement.

When I grounded the negative lead to the door frame and probed the two wires at the motor, I got twelve volts for both wires (blue and brown at motor) on the "up" command which does not seem right.

I checked on the "down" command and only one wire showed twelve volts.
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 12:51 PM
Tiny
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Both wires hot on a command means no ground. The ground wire should have 0 volts.

Roy
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 12:57 PM
Tiny
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Here is some additional data:

Down command
-Blue wire has 6mV (which assume to be relative to zero volts)
-Brown wire has 14 volts.

UP Command
-Blue wire has 14 volts.
-Brown wire - voltage jumps all over***

***I would assume this should settle at the 6mV as well, correct?
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 1:05 PM
Tiny
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Brown wire is not being grounded. That is the issue. It should read as close to 0 as possible.

Roy
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Thursday, March 15th, 2018 AT 1:07 PM

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