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Tiny
TERESA OGLE STANLEY
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  • 1980 JEEP CJ7
  • 6 CYL
  • 4WD
  • MANUAL
  • 70,000 MILES
Cant get vehicle to start despite a new battery. It's started in the past if you pop the hood and one person juggles the gas line while the other is on the starter inside. But just today we had no luck! Not sure where to even begin troubleshooting. Possibly it's not getting fuel? Want to restore this vehicle but not sure where to begin. Thought maybe you would have an idea of things I should look at first.
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Sunday, January 12th, 2020 AT 4:52 PM

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Tiny
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1979 and 1980 were great years for a CJ.

It will crank but not start up?

Is your Jeep mostly original?

Need two things from you, third would be a charm!

Lets do this outside, out by itself with a soaking wet towel at the ready and a fire extinguisher if the towel don't work out!

Let's put 2 teaspoons of gas down the carburetor throat, Important! Stick the breather back on quickly.

Give it a try. Does it fire up? Even for seconds? Does it spit and sputter as if it wants to bust off and run?

How about a pic of your solenoid so I can see the wires on it (see my pic 1).

Lastly, Sometimes I see wrong stuff in pics, If you want to, lay the hood against the windshield frame, remove the breather. Take some "well lit" pics on the left and right side and overhead of the engine (and anything else that may be hidden in your pics.

I have a '46 and a '77, I have upgraded my '77 to be much like a '79 ignition wise and HV(no AC). A 4 barrel Holley was a must on my 258!

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Sunday, January 12th, 2020 AT 6:11 PM
Tiny
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I will definitely get pics tomorrow when I have some light. I was thinking of getting a can of the aerosol gas to spray in there and try and start just to see if it wasn't a clogged fuel line. Most of this Jeep is original and you will see in the pics tomorrow, it's pretty dirty. We just got it from a friend who had it for hunting and just wanted it gone. I don't know much about Jeeps but I'm a quick learner and thought this would be a fun challenge.
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Sunday, January 12th, 2020 AT 8:13 PM
Tiny
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If you try starter fluid, give it a one second squirt.

Be fire conscience with it also!

Send results so we can start attacking the right places and doing the right tests. We really don't want to start throwing parts at it, we want to do this methodically and inexpensively.

Some people just grab for straws and listen to every "up grades" that their friends and other folks sling out there.

Your Jeep will run perfectly and purr like a kitten using nothing but original equipment. (We may have to purchase some of it new- I'll make recommendations then)

I promise!

If it's really nasty under the hood, use "Purple Power" in a spray bottle or pump-up sprayer. Soak everything down. Wait 10 minutes then blast it off with a garden hose sprayer.

The regular works well, the concentrate is even better! Wal-mart carries both. (Pic below)

Keep it off of your exterior paint and wear safety glasses when rinsing.

When you are done remove the distributor cap and "wash" it out with WD-40, it shouldn't take much, shake out any extra or wipe it out.

Maybe you will feel better with cleaner hands!

Later, for a better cleaning, after we get you running well, take your Purple Power to the car wash self wash bay. Insure you take a screwdriver and WD-40 too. If you don't get the water out of the cap, it will run like crap!

Do you have a cheap digital voltmeter? Harbor Freight has them for around $5.00.

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Monday, January 13th, 2020 AT 3:21 PM
Tiny
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Okay, so here is a bunch of pictures of what I am dealing with.
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Tuesday, January 14th, 2020 AT 8:11 AM
Tiny
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Try them pics again! They did not show. The medic
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Tuesday, January 14th, 2020 AT 11:52 AM
Tiny
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Let's see if this works.
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Tuesday, January 14th, 2020 AT 12:27 PM
Tiny
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I want a few more pics!

Things are not real bad under the hood, there are a few things that need a little attention or replacement, nothing extreme so far.

Pics I want:

Drivers side around the canister (around/ below the master cylinder).

Take the breather off, shoot some pics around the carburetor.

Area below the battery.

When I get them all, I will point to and label the pics with the problems I see. Like I said, I see nothing really awful, however, fixing the stuff will make it run better.

Does your Jeep have a winch? (Seeing the big battery cables at the solenoid area)

What has happened with the fuel introduced down the carburetor throat?

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Tuesday, January 14th, 2020 AT 4:05 PM
Tiny
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Okay, so it took a few times adding fuel and trying to start and on about the third time we got it to really start up, but it wouldn't stay running. Then the battery died! So hooked up my jumper cables and got it to start again (with adding gas directly) and then it just runs out of gas. Took off the fuel line and started it with more gas down the carburetor and no fuel shoots out the line. So seems like it's not getting any gas. An odd occurrence noted as well was every time it fired up a ton of dirty watery gunk blew out the back exhaust. Didn't know if that meant anything. It doesn't have any leak spots on the concrete under it so don't think there is any leaks. I also noticed the hose for the heater has been cut and closed so Brrr. And yes it has a winch on the front.
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Tuesday, January 14th, 2020 AT 4:31 PM
Tiny
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Got you a 1st pic to start on.

The filter before the fuel pump has been added on.

You may need to keep it, if the tank is bad off. Get the largest one you can and make it a "clear" one so you can see when it's full of crap.

Keeping a spare one or two on board may keep you from walking!

Pic 3) Check out that long range 21 gallon tank. (Plastic tanks are available in 15 gallon too)

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Tuesday, January 14th, 2020 AT 6:15 PM
Tiny
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I'll see if I can check the fuel filter tomorrow and get more pictures of things you requested. This picture shows where there is just a hose that was cut and left hanging. I thought it was maybe what brought heat in since we were told there was no heat.
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Tuesday, January 14th, 2020 AT 8:56 PM
Tiny
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That would be the drain hose for the "air box" (cowl vent drain).

I found a place that has the hose and the "Duckbill" that goes on the bottom of it. (See pic)

Let's get it running!

Any luck with a big clear filter that will fit the tubing?

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Wednesday, January 15th, 2020 AT 3:48 PM
Tiny
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Here s the breather off pic and some others around the carburetor and under the battery. Haven t had a chance to look for a new filter that s up next.
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Wednesday, January 15th, 2020 AT 5:13 PM
Tiny
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Waiting for filter results.

Then a good Purple Power cleaning!

Then I'll link you to a good tuning up!

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Wednesday, January 15th, 2020 AT 6:13 PM
Tiny
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So I broke down and took it to a reputable mechanic. The fuel pump was the issue they said. They also said though that the choke is not working properly and that it was not the right set up with the carburetor. He said we need to get a new carburetor if we want to be able to start it without getting under the hood every time. I questioned him if we couldn't just replace the choke and he said it didn't work that way. Does that sound right?
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Tuesday, January 21st, 2020 AT 7:10 PM
Tiny
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Okay,

You were with a reputable CJ technician.

Are you going to finish this task yourself?

I can guide you through all of the mechanical stuff.

I cost absolutely nothing!

Your carburetor (the Carter BBD) is a great system!

However,

The carburetor is 40 years old, it has 40 years of wear on many of the parts.

Even buying a re-manufactured carburetor may still leave you with worn parts reused with in it.

There are some tedious adjustments that need to be made, sometimes the re-builder does not make these "tweaks" to the re-manufactured.

The average Joe with limited knowledge will build it wrong or damage a part without knowing it.

I'm almost embarrassed to make this suggestion, I have suggested this many times and so far, have always gotten good results (with local Jeeps)(With 2carpros forum fixes).

Seems that the Jeep Carter BBD carburetor is not made domestically anymore, re-manufactured's are about all that are available. And you still have an "old" carburetor!

Over the pond, they are making new ones! They work great! They adjust as they should!

It's been a while since they hit the market, they have gone up in price a little. They are still way cheaper than a re-manufactured, but just a little more than a rebuild kit. It's ready to go!

If you go this route, I will be glad to aid with installing it and tuning the Jeep properly!

I've looked over the whole bunch, this would be my best suggestion. See this link.

This link just won't last but so long (for all of you future followers).

This is a darn good price!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Barrel-Carburetor-Carb-BBD-Carter-Type-AMC-Jeep-Wrangler-CJ5-CJ7-4-2L-US-Stock/153622836679?hash=item23c4a275c7:g:7McAAOSw74xeDxBU

So we get the Jeep back, I help you install this and help you tune it.

Cost?

A few evenings reading my stuff.

What do you think of this plan so far?

I don't think the other feller will work this cheap, most likely he does not love Jeeps as CJ MEDEVAC does.

As far as the choke goes, we can install a manual choke kit, I already have pics (and forum answers) for many of my Jeep operations.

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Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020 AT 5:08 PM
Tiny
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Defiantly is not a CJ medic like yourself! And why don't you have a place in Dallas? Lol.

That's an incredible price on a carburetor, I guess I should be more patient. I just want to have this thing driving! At least when I call them tomorrow I will be able to discuss this with more knowledge. I was reading the whole jeep manual and took note of how many different adjustments can be made to the carburetor and other problems with hoses and other switches to look at before its the actual carburetor itself. Lesson learned. I have some talking to do with these "mechanics", break my Jeep free and I'll report back.
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Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020 AT 6:33 PM
Tiny
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We will get you going and correctly!

Impatient?

Look at this

Pic 1) My '46 Willys ("Willy") in 1991, Neglected forever in a field, purchased for $100

Pic 2-4) Lots of side jobs and 2 years later, roadworthy but not quite exactly what I want.

Pic 5 and 6) 29 years later, more side jobs, just what I wanted.

Pic 7) Daughter was about 4 when he arrived, she learned to drive him at 10, now throwing him his 73rd birthday party.

If you love him, set him free, he can't go anywhere anyway!

You never get to know your Jeep or the things that will get you out of trouble if someone else is having their way with him.

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Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020 AT 7:40 PM

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