Engine Mechanical problem
2001 Saab 9-3 repair Question 4 cyl Two Wheel Drive Automatic 95,000 miles
For approximately 3 months I am having an ignition/starter problem that I have noticed is reported on multiple web sites by other Saab owners, but none have identified a solution.
The problem is that once I drive the car for the first time each day, if I turn off the engine it will not start again until 30 to 60 minutes passes. When the car fails to start the car’s computer does not identify any problem.
When this first occurred it with my Saab itwas not every day and the wait time before restarting was only 15 to 20 minutes. That gradually increased to almost every day and the wait time increased to 30 to 45 minutes. As someone else on the web also reported, I could not figure out what the problem was based on the clues, but the biggest clue of “something" being hot or warm from driving seemed obvious. However, sometime the car plays possum after only driving a few miles, but other times it will not happed after driving for 4 four hours without stopping. If I am far from home and need gas I do not turn the car off!
I have been to two Saab dealership service center to solve this problem and both denied ever hearing of this problem before. Neither dealership could replicate the problem, but I had my doubts that one of them even tried. That dealer’s service center was unable to even suggest what the problem could be, but offered to replace the ignition without any guarantee of the problem being resolved for an estimated $800 to $900 – If that is what I wanted. I didn’t.
The second dealer’s service center at least made an educated guess that the difficulty was the starter, since the computer did not log any errors and the electrical was obviously not a problem. This dealership actually listened to all of my input and repeated back to me some of the other facts I gave them, such as the radio still playing when the key is removed, which was also why the service manager suggested the problem could be the starter even though the started was not identified to be failing or have a problem based on the diagnostic equipment used. I do not know if that diagnostic assessment is a machine hooked up to the vehicle or Joe the mechanic simply turning the key. That service center had my car all day, made no repairs and discouraged me from replacing the starter and did not give me a quote. Any one know what the customary and reasonable charge for this should be?
It has been 10 days since I was at that second service center and I did not have a “possum problem". Then yesterday it started again. First trip of the day, driving only 3 miles. When I returned to the care 30 minutes later it was “dead". The wait time was even longer however - - 90 minutes. Then today, I drove the car for the first time today for 4 miles. Approximately 30 minutes later when I returned to the car to drive home it would not start. So I waited the usual 30 minutes, but nothing. An hour later, still “dead". 90 minutes passed and still “dead" and I called the auto club for a tow.
Do you think that changing the starter would actually solve the problem? Neither dealership promised that it would. Like everyone else I do not know what to do next.
24 hours later.
Mystery Solved…. After I posted my question above I went looking for more information and added the word “recall" to the search criteria.
Below is what I found. The shocking part is that I never received the recall letter, so I called Saab USA headquarters today and was told that the Saab dealer closest to me had billed Saab USA for the “remedy" (see below) - except they did not do it obviously. I am waiting for a call back from Saab USA. For anyone that reads this, you may recall from my initial posting that the two Saab dealers I have been to already have denied that they are aware of the problem I reported from any other customers. Tha is imposible to believe once you read the recall notice.
Does anyone know a reputable Saab dealer service center?
Auto Recall Date: 09/14/2005
Vehicle Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 103202
2001 SAAB 9-3 Defect Summary:
CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH B205/B235 4-CYLINDER GASOLINE ENGINES AND B308 6-CYLINDER GASOLINE ENGINES MAY EXPERIENCE OVERHEATING AND BURNOUT OF THE ISOLATED GATED BIPOLAR TRANSISTOR (IGBT) WITHIN THE IGNITION DISCHARGE MODULE (IDM) DUE TO INCREASED SUSCEPTIBILITY TO ELECTRICAL LOADS.
OVERHEATING OF THE IGBT OCCURS MOST OFTEN AT ENGINE START-UP, BUT IT MAY ALSO OCCUR WHILE THE ENGINE IS RUNNING. ENGINE STALLING MAY OCCUR, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
DEALERS WILL INSPECT TO SEE WHAT VERSION IDM IS IN THE VEHICLE AND REPLACE THE IDM IF IT IS A VERSION BUILT PRIOR TO THE INTRODUCTION OF QP3. AN INTERIM LETTER WILL BE MAILED TO OWNERS IN OCTOBER 2005, INFORMING THEM OF THE CONDITION. PARTS ARE NOW AVAILABLE AND OWNERS WILL BE NOTIFIED TO BRING THEIR VEHICLES IN TO THE DEALERS TO HAVE THE IDM REPLACED BY LETTER DATED MARCH 13, 2006. OWNERS MAY CONTACT SAAB AT 1-800-955-9007.
Notes: SAAB CARS USA, INC, 15021
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Monday, February 16th, 2009 AT 3:53 AM