Replaced water pump

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DEDRI ANN WHITE
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  • 2006 CHRYSLER 300
  • 2.7L
  • V6
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 246,000 MILES
Replaced water pump, don't know if it was at TDC when I first started. I did not remove timing chain completely off the oil pump pulley or off the right side, if I continue putting everything. Back together am I okay?
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Thursday, March 19th, 2020 AT 1:46 PM

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Tiny
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I am not exactly sure where you are in the process but I attached the procedure to follow through. You do not have to set it to TDC if you don't move the engine when the chain is off. As long as it goes back on the same positions then you are fine.

If you are not sure, then you will need to go through the timing procedure. Let me know if you need that process.
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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 12:44 PM
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DEDRI ANN WHITE
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I'm not sure. What is the timing steps I need to do?
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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 3:14 PM
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DEDRI ANN WHITE
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I've already put the new water pump on, someone helped (ya right) and they are who removed the timing chain, so I don't know what to do or which bolts go where for the timing chain and guide arms and tensioner. I marked everything as I went along, but he did not.
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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 3:17 PM
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Here is the verification procedure. I would suggest reassembling it to this point and just checking it rather then going through the entire procedure because you don't know. It is pretty involved to re-time it, so if you rotate the engine by hand to this point and everything lines up then you are good.

Let me know if it is not correct and I will send you the procedure to time the engine.
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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 3:19 PM
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Just saw your other update. So do you want the entire procedure based on the fact that you did not disassemble or they were able to get it back together for you? Just clarifying what you need. Thanks
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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 3:21 PM
Tiny
DEDRI ANN WHITE
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Entire procedure please, as I'm confused.
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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 3:32 PM
Tiny
KASEKENNY1
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Here is the process for the chains. Basically you are going to remove the chains and then rotate the crank and cams to the positions shown and then line the chain links up properly. There technically is no process for re-setting the timing because it tells you to lock the cams when removing the chain so you don't have to do this. So before you get the chain on just make sure each is in the correct location. Then you are going to need to lock the cams so you may need to go to the parts store and see if they have a cam locking tool set for this engine.
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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 4:13 PM
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DEDRI ANN WHITE
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What is the cam/crank variation releran?
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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 6:10 PM
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DEDRI ANN WHITE
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Okay, I'm going to try. I do know that the cams have not been moved thankfully.
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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 6:11 PM
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Okay, that is good. Let us know if you have issues. Get pictures of what you are dealing with if you run into something that you want some advice on. Thanks
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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 6:14 PM
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DEDRI ANN WHITE
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Help, okay got timing chain all put back together, turn engine and all is good, putting timing cover back on. But, though I had placed all the bolts in order as I took them out, they got dropped and now I have a bucket of bolts and don't know their placements. Thankfully they are only the bolts for timing cover. Can you help with a diagram of which goes where?
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Saturday, March 21st, 2020 AT 10:01 AM
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KASEKENNY1
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Understood. Unfortunately the attachment is the best I have. You should only have two styles of bolts. M10 and M6. The diagram shows where each goes.

If you still have questions, get pictures of the bolts that you have and I will try to identify them for you. Try to group them so that you are only sending pictures of each type. It will be hard to make out what is what if they are in a group.
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Saturday, March 21st, 2020 AT 3:16 PM
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DEDRI ANN WHITE
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Okay, I'm back. Finished putting everything back together, started car and it's all bad. Sounds horrid, chokes, pops. What do I do? Am assuming timing is off, so do I take it all apart again or?
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Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 9:16 AM
Tiny
KASEKENNY1
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It does sound like a timing issue. I would do the verification process then that will determine next steps.
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Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 11:04 AM
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DEDRI ANN WHITE
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I put the engine on top dead center then move it 60 degrees, is that when you adjust the cams or before. Adjust the cams before or after the 60 .
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Sunday, March 29th, 2020 AT 3:19 PM
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DEDRI ANN WHITE
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Okay, so just to avoid my confusion, let's go with I've completely fucked everything up, moving cam alone, and taking chain off, moved cams some more, etc, etc. How do I first put the engine on top dead center?And so then move it 60 degrees, is that when you adjust the cams or before? Adjust the cams before or after the 60? Or better yet how do I start over and get everything lined up correctly? Please simple step by step explanation.
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Sunday, March 29th, 2020 AT 3:22 PM
Tiny
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I totally get it. It is frustrating because this engine is not the easiest. However, I think we may have some confusion on what the 60 degree mention is. You should not be rotating the engine in order to set the cams up. You want the timing marks lined up but the engine stays in place.

Take a look at the first attachment as I think that explains where the 60 degrees is coming from which is that the timing mark is set at 60 degrees but that doesn't mean you move the crank when setting it up.

I attached the entire process for installing the timing chains. You don't need to worry about TDC because if you set it up on these marks, it will be in time. If this is the first time doing this engine, then pull number 1 plug and put a thin screwdriver in on the top of the piston and rotate the crank over with the chain off to see when it is aligned with the mark and you will see the screwdriver come up to correct position. Then you need to put the cams in the correct position for their timing marks and the engine will be in the correct position. When moving each one independently of each other, then the crank and cams can only be in one position on each revolution. In other words, each time the cam and crank come around, each piston and valve is in the same position, they are just in different positions as they relate to each other.

Hopefully this helps. Thanks.
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Sunday, March 29th, 2020 AT 6:34 PM
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DEDRI ANN WHITE
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Okay, I believe I am understanding better, still have one major concern left before I put everything back together. Okay, so I think I can align up all the mark's, however my concern is the person who had "helped" me moved one of the secondary gears, thus I am not certain how to do that side, which would be the right side, or my right as I am facing the engine. Pictures following.
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 11:27 AM
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Okay. Yeah pictures would help get me on the same page as you. Just post them whenever you get them. Thanks
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 3:30 PM
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DEDRI ANN WHITE
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So secondary chain was moved and I was told to remove the whole things and I did but secondary Mark's are still off.
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Wednesday, April 8th, 2020 AT 1:26 PM

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