1996 Pontiac Bonneville Possible Transmission Problem

PA_BONNEY

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1996 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE
6 CYL
FWD
AUTOMATIC
60,000 MILES

I own a 1996 Bonneville with a 3.8L engine with 60K original miles on it. I bought the car used in 11/07. Right after I bought the car, it started to have a problem with the car lugging and seemed to want to shift out of 3rd gear to OD - should have been pulling. We found several problems - upper intakes were melted, spark plugs fouled, wires unsure and fuel filter about 50% restricted. All were replaced - ran better but still had same problem w/trans. Rebuilt by trans shop - was better for about 2 mos - now engine idle fluctuates when cold, almost shuts off when pulling from a stop sign from time to time, and this trans problem - it seems like it is worse between 45MPH and 55MPH and it lugs hard sometimes. Did replace MAF yesterday - was the only code set and was a hard failure. Engine performance is much better but trans problem remains. This is a 4T60E - I don't think that there is a relearn after replacement or rebuild - possible internal electronic failure? This is driving me crazy - the car is in really nice shape (looks new in and out) but I cannot drive it like this. Any ideas?

Tuesday, May 6th, 2008 AT 2:29 PM

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MUNKIEBOY

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Not sure if you mean 3rd to OD (upshift) or OD to 3rd (downshift, more common).

Upshifting - Do you have all your gears or will it try to shift to OD but not engage? Premature engaging? This could be a bad 3rd-OD clutch/band (no engage). It could be too much fluid or an over-adjusted band. Either way, it doesn't sound like the tranny shop did much more than a fluid change, maybe a flush.

Downshifting - If this is what you meant, your transmission may be fine. You could have a bad seal, clutch, too little/much fluid, and/or a bad torque convertver (doesn't convert enough torque). This would also mean that the tranny shop did little to nothing for your car.

Most likely (and easiest/cheapest to start with) your bad spark plugs/wires, fuel filter, etc. Are tryin to tell you that the previous owner neglected the car. My '94 Bonneville came to SoCal from Pennsylvania by way of Ohio and is pushing 165,000mi w/no rebuild and all my engine has is a minor leaky valve cover gasket. These engines last as long as they're taken care of and you can usually tell pretty quickly by how much you spend on repairs. To get a peek at how the car was treated replace your valve cover gaskets. Look for build-up, sludge, etc. And also smell around. A "burnt oil" smell and/or a "rich-burning-fuel" kinda smell is bad. Sludge/gunk = insufficient oil changes = major problems in your future and at least part of a reason for a lagging engine.

Otherwise, and possibly additionally, if your fuel filter was so crudded up I'd take a look at the rest of your fuel system to see what else has crud in it. When you're going 45-55mph you're probably just starting 3rd gear, no? If you are then the engine -not transmission- seems like the likely culprit as any sluggishness will show itself mostly in the low RPMs of the upper gears. If this is the case you should see even more sluggishness around 65-70mph or whenever your car shifts to 4th. But if the sluggishness is too severe it will simply slip out of this gear cuz the engine is unable to produce the power needed. Try to accelerate harder so your RPMs go higher than usual in 3rd before switching to OD. This should get you going in OD and high enough on the power band to sustain it if there are no tranny problems.

Hope i've been helpful (and not too confusing or long-winded :)
munkie

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Friday, June 13th, 2008 AT 5:09 AM