PCM, BCM, U/H relay fuse keeps blowing

Tiny
JYEARY91
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  • 2000 BUICK CENTURY
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It started by blowing the fuse every time I tried starting it, but if I unplug the last plug from the black box under the steering column.
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 9:34 AM

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Tiny
KASEKENNY1
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Okay. We need some more info to figure this out. Can you get a picture of the box under the steering column with the connector unplugged so we can try to narrow this down?

Clearly you have something drawing to much current but it would be great to narrow it to one circuit so let's start with this and go from there. Thanks
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 9:43 AM
Tiny
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It's the PCM, BCM, U/H relay.
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM
Tiny
KASEKENNY1
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Okay. I should have been a little more specific. Sorry. We are trying to find out what actual connector that is on the BCM so that we can narrow the issue down to one circuit to find out what is blowing the fuse. Basically just hold it in the position it mounts and tell me which connector it is. It looks like it is number 2 C4. Can you confirm this?

If that is the case, we will need to see what else is on that connector and then start unhooking those components one at a time with that BCM connector remaining connected until we find the component or wire that is blowing the fuse.
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 11:24 AM
Tiny
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Is this the picture of what y'all need?
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM
Tiny
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And yes I believe it's 2 c4.
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 1:40 PM
Tiny
KASEKENNY1
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Okay. So this connector basically just runs the actuator motors for the door lock actuators. There is no easy way to do this other then, unhook all the actuators in all the doors and then install a new fuse, connect the BCM connector and start the vehicle to see if everything works and the fuse does not blow. Then go through and connect them one at a time until it blows again.

Clearly if it still blows with all these unhooked then it was not this. However, if you have that connector unhooked then and it starts and that fuse does not blow then I suspect one of these actuators is shorted.

Let me know if you have questions.
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 2:02 PM
Tiny
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Well, when I unplug the connection from BCM it shuts off my gauges too. I have no speedometer or temperature or battery gauge.
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM
Tiny
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And I have a 20 amp fuse in place of the 10 that blew and it doesn't blow but there are 2 wires that get hot. The pink and a blue I think.
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 2:30 PM
Tiny
KASEKENNY1
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Okay. Let's unhook the actuators with the 10 amp fuse in place. We don't want to put a larger fuse in place because that is going to damage some wires or modules as there is too much current for those circuits. That is why the wires are getting hot. Basically you are going to turn the module circuit boards and wiring into the fuse and once that happens, it is harder to find. The point of the fuse is to protect all those so let's leave it as 10 amp. You may replace a lot of them but it is better those then a module.
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 2:50 PM
Tiny
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Okay, so I unplugged the door locks and it's still blowing.
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 4:43 PM
Tiny
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Are you sure that's all it controls is the door activator?
Because I have no gauges.
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Monday, April 6th, 2020 AT 5:36 PM
Tiny
KASEKENNY1
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I show the BCM and cluster/gauges communicate on one wire only which is in C2 so if you are unplugging this connector and the gauges go away must be something else where the BCM communicates with the PCM causing the gauges to shut off.

According to the wiring diagram this connector from the BCM only controls the door actuators. So can you clarify that when you unhooked the "door locks" that it was the actuator behind the door panels and not just the switch?
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Tuesday, April 7th, 2020 AT 7:10 PM
Tiny
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I unplugged the door locks and I think it was just the switch.
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Tuesday, April 7th, 2020 AT 9:34 PM
Tiny
KASEKENNY1
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Okay. I should have been more specific. The lock actuator inside the door panel is what the connector from the BCM is feeding. See the attached process. I think you can just remove the door panels and unplug them. You don't need to remove them, just access them and unplug them.
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Wednesday, April 8th, 2020 AT 5:27 PM
Tiny
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Unplugged all the door connections just to make sure I was unplugging the right one and it still blows the fuse.
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Friday, April 10th, 2020 AT 6:43 PM
Tiny
KASEKENNY1
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Sorry for the delay. 2+2 is not equaling 4 on this. I suspect we have the wrong connector on the wiring diagram. The connector that you unplug to cause the the fuse not to blow, is not C4.

Let's try to confirm that. Can you put a new fuse in, unplug that connector so it doesn't blow and then operate the door switches (with the connector of the doors all plugged back in, obviously)? If everything on the door, specifically the locks, work then the connector that we are looking at on the wiring diagram is not correct.

At that point I would like to try to limit the connector that causes the fuse to blow down to one circuit. So let me know how you are at either taking that connector apart to remove the circuits one at a time or we can just clip the wires if you can solder them back together. Basically we just need to clip one of the wires, put in a new fuse and see if it blows. If it does, we fix that one and clip the next one (don't leave them all cut because we don't want to risk crossing them when putting them all back together). Then continue this until we have one wire cut and the fuse does not blow. Then we can figure out what circuit that is.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 7:11 AM
Tiny
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Okay, it's this pink wire causing all the problems.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 2:05 PM
Tiny
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Sorry for my delayed reply.
I'm currently moving into our old hose and having to juggle renovation on the house and working on the car. But I do appreciate all your help thus far!
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 3:56 PM
Tiny
KASEKENNY1
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No problem at all.

That figures. That is the direct feed from the fuse that is blowing. The second diagram is of the PCM which feeds the ignition positive voltage for the PCM.

However, as you can see the first two diagrams show this circuit running through the under hood fuse block. The third and fifth diagram shows more detail on this circuit breakdown.

As you can see from the different diagrams, the crank relay is fed off this circuit and I think you said this blows when cranking? If so that could be a faulty relay or the starter, coils, or injectors drawing too much. However, what is odd is that if you unhook the BCM connector (C1) it doesn't blow. This tells me there is something on the BCM side that is causing it. This is why I attached the last diagram. This is the feed for the headlamp assemblies through the BCM. Try unhooking the headlamps and see if it blows.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 7:15 PM
Tiny
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Unhook them from the BCM?
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Sunday, April 12th, 2020 AT 11:44 AM

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