1995 Mercury Sable cooling fan will not work

Tiny
WAGSK1
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  • 1995 MERCURY SABLE
  • 6 CYL
  • FWD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 67,000 MILES
The cooling fan on my sons car will not come on. I can hot wire the fan to the battery and it will work on either low or high speed. I checked the voltage going to the resistor block and I am getting 12 volts before and after the block when the motor warms up or the a/c is on, but as soon as I plug the fan harness back in I stop getting voltage to the fan. Thanks in advance for any help.

Also I forgot to add that my a/c clutch keeps cycling on and off about every 5 seconds.
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Saturday, July 25th, 2009 AT 12:46 PM

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Tiny
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Hi wagsk1,

Thank you for the donation.

Here is a schematics for the cooling fans.


http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_CoolingFan95Sable01a_1.jpg



http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_CoolingFan95Sable01b_1.jpg



Check through the following and see if you can come up with anything.

ELECTRIC COOLING FAN FUNCTION CHECK
1. Start engine. On models with A/C, turn A/C on. Ensure A/C clutch engages. On models without A/C, run engine until cooling fan begins to operate. If cooling fan(s) do not operate at any fan speed, perform QUICK TEST .

2. If a trouble code is indicated while performing QUICK TEST, perform appropriate test. If after performing QUICK TEST, a Code 111 (pass code) is displayed and no other codes exist, go to next step.

3. Enter output state Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM). See ADDITIONAL SYSTEM FUNCTIONS . Once output state DTM has been entered, ensure all outputs are off. Depress throttle (near wide open). Wait for Malfunction Indicator Light (MIL) to flash once (about 10 seconds). Release throttle.

4. Cooling fan should run at low speed (LFC). Depress throttle to turn fan off. Depress throttle again. Wait until MIL flashes 2 consecutive times (about 15 seconds). Release throttle. Cooling fan should run at high speed (HFC).

Exit output state DTM. If cooling fan(s) do not operate as specified, perform appropriate test. If cooling fans operate as specified and vehicle is equipped with A/C, check A/C Pressure Switch (ACPSW).

QUICK TEST
NOTE: Procedure given is for reading codes using an analog volt-ohmmeter. When using a scan tester, use tool manufacturer's instructions.

Turn ignition off. Set VOM at 0-15V DC range. Connect positive lead of VOM to positive battery terminal. Connect negative VOM lead to Self-Test Output (STO) terminal of Data Link Connector (DLC).


http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_DLC95SableEEC_IVFig01_1.jpg



Connect timing light, and go to KOEO SELF-TEST . Activate KOEO SELF- TEST by connecting jumper wire from Self-Test Input (STI) pigtail to Signal Return (SIG RTN) terminal of DLC with ignition on.

ADDITIONAL SYSTEM FUNCTIONS
Output State Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM)

Output state DTM is used as an aid in servicing output actuators associated with EEC-IV system. It allows technicians to energize and de-energize most system output actuators on command. This mode is entered from KOEO SELF-TEST after all codes have been retrieved.

Disconnect cruise control servo (if equipped). With DVOM on 20-volt scale, connect DVOM negative lead to STO/MIL terminal at Diagnostic Link Connector (DLC). See Fig. 1 . Connect positive lead to positive battery terminal. Connect a jumper wire from Self-Test Input (STI) pigtail to Signal Return (SIG RTN) terminal at Diagnostic Link Connector (DLC). Turn ignition on.

Perform KOEO SELF-TEST until continuous memory test is complete. DVOM will read less than 1.0 volt when test is complete. Depress and release throttle. If voltage increases, output state DTM has been entered. If voltage does not increase, depress throttle to WOT and release. If STO voltage still does not increase, go to CIRCUIT TEST QC.
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Sunday, July 26th, 2009 AT 2:21 AM
Tiny
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I did the tests you asked with no luck. Installed a new cooling fan assembly, I was checking the connectors on the wire harness to the ccrm and by accident I jumped pin 7 and 8 and the fan came on. So where do I go from here? I was also able to try a new ccrm from a friend at an auto parts store and that still did not help.
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Wednesday, July 29th, 2009 AT 2:54 PM
Tiny
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Jumping Terminal # 7 and 8 would get the fan moving as # 8 is power source and # 7 is the wire leading to the fan motor.

Were you able to retrieve any trouble codes?

Test the power source first.

Turn ignition off. Disconnect CCRM. Connect negative probe of DVOM to negative battery terminal. On 3.2L SHO, measure voltage between negative battery terminal and CCRM wiring harness connector terminals No. 1, 2, 6 and 7. See Fig. 2 . On all others, measure voltage between battery negative terminal and CCRM wiring harness connector terminals No. 3 and 4.


http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_CCRM95SAble_1.jpg



If any reading is less than 10.5 volts, repair open battery power circuit. Reconnect CCRM, and recheck system operation.
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Thursday, July 30th, 2009 AT 1:16 PM
Tiny
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Everything test ok, voltage is 12v+, I changed the a/c pressure switch, still not working. Can I hook up a 3 way switch thru a 40amp relay to just get this thing working? If so how is the best way to wire this?
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Thursday, July 30th, 2009 AT 3:27 PM
Tiny
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The CCRM is controlled by the PCM and fiddling with the circuits might cause the PCM to show an error and rersult in performance issues.

I would suggest we go over the problem again. I seem to have missed out on the AC cycling ON/OFF part.

Was any repairs carried out on the AC system?
You mentioned the cooling fans not working, did you test if it comes on when the temperature increases?

If the AC is not turned on, the cooling fans would not work till the operating temperature increases.

If the AC compressor is engaging and disengaging, that could be an indication of a bad compressor clutch, excessive freon in system, a bad relay or its controlling circuit.
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Friday, July 31st, 2009 AT 10:09 AM
Tiny
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I think the problem with the a/c cycling often was after the car warmed up and it was reading that the cooling fan was not operating because when the engine is cold the a/c works great. When the engine warms up I can read voltage being sent to the plug before the fan connector but when pluged into the fan I get nothing after the connector. I have even tried to jump another ground at the connector thinking that I had a bad ground. I am assuming the PCM is good because it does send the signal to turn the fan on.I am sure there is a bad connection somewhere but without tearing all the harnesses apart I would like to know the best way to try and pinpoint what wire is most likely bad. Thanks so far for all the help.
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Saturday, August 1st, 2009 AT 8:39 AM
Tiny
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Since problem occurs only when the engine temp increases, the most likely cause would be an inaccurate Engine Coolant Temperature sensor. It would provide the PCM with false signals.

Here is a specification table for the ECT. Test if they are within specs. A scanner would be capable of reading the values.


http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_ECTspec95Sable_1.jpg



If you wish to test for a bad ground wire, use an ohmmeter and ground it between the terminal and body. Any resistance that is more than 1 ohms is considered not good.
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Saturday, August 1st, 2009 AT 10:20 AM
Tiny
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I m sorry if I confused the subject. The cooling fan never comes on either cold or warm engine. What I meant by when the engine warms up is it will send a signal to the ccrm and the harness after it for the fan to come on the low speed side.I think with a stone cold engine the fan does not come on with the a/c until needed. I already did change the coolent sensor.
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Saturday, August 1st, 2009 AT 10:45 AM
Tiny
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Here is an additional test that yu can perform.


http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_KOEO95Sable_1.jpg



Refer to QUICK TEST for the procedure of set up.
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Saturday, August 1st, 2009 AT 11:52 PM

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