Loss of power and acceleration, no codes

Tiny
JONNYHILL
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  • 2014 SUBARU FORESTER
  • 2.5L
  • 4 CYL
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 102,000 MILES
Have been having issues with repeated loss of power and acceleration. No codes but performance is definitely lacking. Cleaned MAF and throttle body, replaced plugs, air filter, oil change. After each step the car will run fine for a day or two then bogs down again. Going to be replacing knock sensor, oxygen sensors and fuel filter. Are there any other potential issues I should look at or check? Thanks.
Thursday, March 5th, 2020 AT 11:57 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

First, I would recommend checking fuel pressure to make sure there are no issues.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Also, keep in mind that an engine vacuum leak can cause it to bog down.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

One other thought. Anytime I hear of a power loss like you described, I always check to make sure the catalytic converter is partially plugged. If you hear a rattle or anything when the engine is running, the internal components in the converter could be loose and blocking air flow. Take a rubber mallet and tap on the exhaust to see if any noise is coming from there. Take a look through these two links. The first explains common symptoms of a bad converter and the second explains how to test one. What I do is simply remove an oxygen sensor before the converter to see if there is improvement.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/bad-catalytic-converter-symptoms

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-a-catalytic-converter

Here are the directions specific to your vehicle for testing fuel pressure. The attached pics correlate with the directions and the manufacturer's specs are included in the directions.

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2014 Subaru Forester F4-2.5L DOHC
Component Tests and General Diagnostics
Vehicle Powertrain Management Fuel Delivery and Air Induction Fuel Pump Fuel Pressure Testing and Inspection Component Tests and General Diagnostics
COMPONENT TESTS AND GENERAL DIAGNOSTICS
Fuel Pressure

INSPECTION

CAUTION:
- Be careful not to spill fuel.
- Catch the fuel from the tubes using a container or cloth.

1. Release the fuel pressure.
2. Open the fuel filler lid and remove the fuel filler cap.
3. Disconnect the fuel delivery tube from the fuel delivery pipe, and connect the fuel pressure gauge.
1. Disconnect the quick connector on the fuel delivery tube from the fuel pipe assembly, and remove the clip (A) securing the fuel delivery tube to the fuel pipe assembly.

NOTE: Disconnect the quick connector as shown in the figure.

pic 1

pic 2

2. Connect the fuel pressure gauge with ST1 and ST2.

CAUTION:
- Check that there is no damage or dust on the quick connector. If necessary, clean the seal surface of the ST2.
- Make sure that the quick connector is securely connected.

NOTE:
- ST1 is a SUBARU genuine part.
- When connecting the ST2 to the quick connector on the fuel delivery tube, connect as shown in the figure.

pic 3

ST1 42075AG690 FUEL HOSE
ST2 18471AA000 FUEL PIPE ADAPTER

pic 4

4. Start the engine.
5. Check the fuel pressure after warming up the engine.

NOTE:
- The fuel pressure gauge registers 10 to 20 kPa (0.1 to 0.2 kgf/cm2, 1 to 3 psi) higher than standard values during high-altitude operations.
- Check or replace the fuel pump and fuel delivery line if the fuel pressure is out of the standard.

Fuel pressure:
Standard: 340 - 400 kPa (3.5 - 4.1 kgf/cm2, 49 - 58 psi)

6. After inspection, install the related parts in the reverse order of removal.

CAUTION:
- Before removing the fuel pressure gauge, release the fuel pressure.
- Be careful not to spill fuel.
- Catch the fuel from hoses and tubes using a container or cloth.
- Check that there is no damage or dust on the quick connector. If necessary, clean the seal surface of the pipe.
- When connecting the quick connector with slider, make sure to insert the pipe all the way in before locking the slider.
- When it is difficult to lock the slider, check that the pipe is fully inserted.
- Make sure that the quick connector is securely connected.

NOTE:
- When disconnecting the ST1, install the ST2 to the fuel pipe assembly, and press the ST2 in the direction of arrow to disconnect the quick connector on the ST1.

ST1 42075AG690 FUEL HOSE
ST2 42099AE000 QUICK CONNECTOR RELEASE

pic 5

- Disconnect the quick connector on the fuel delivery tube as shown in the figure.

pic 6

- Connect the quick connector on the fuel delivery tube as shown in the figure.

pic 7

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If the timing belt hasn't been replaced, you are due to have that done.

Let me know if this helps or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
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Thursday, March 5th, 2020 AT 3:59 PM
Tiny
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Thank you so much for the helpful information! I'm going to have my mechanic check the fuel system and I have plans to save up for a new Catalytic Converter system as well. I'll know where to come back to if I have any other questions! Thanks again for your help!
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Thursday, March 5th, 2020 AT 4:27 PM
Tiny
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You are very welcome. Listen, only replace the parts if they are determined to be faulty. However, I do strongly recommend replacing the timing belt if it has never been done. If it breaks, you will most likely end up with internal engine damage. Also, when the belt is off, have the water pump replaced at the same time. If it is original, you don't want to pay labor for belt removal and replacement twice if it fails.

If you have the chance, let me know what is determined to be the issue.

Take care,
Joe
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Thursday, March 5th, 2020 AT 6:44 PM
Tiny
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Hello! I wanted to provide you with some more information and also ask another question. First I'll list off everything that's been done so far in regards to my repeated loss of power issue. The only parts I've replaced so far are the spark plugs. But it had to be done because one was damaged. After that I cleaned the throttle body. Then had the following items tested: knock sensor, oxygen sensors, MAF sensor, all test fine. Oxygen sensors are good and clean. Fuel pump pressure tests at 40 PSI. I've run a few different fuel system cleaners. Injectors are all functioning. The last couple of days the car has been running pretty well. But I noticed today the lack of power returning. I still don't have any codes. But there is something different that I've noticed. Before the last couple of days, I could hold my foot on the gas pedal at 1,500 RPM's and I could feel a vibration. It doesn't occur before or after 1,500 RPM's. Only just at 1,500 RPM's. But If you held the throttle steady it would vibrate continuously until you moved the pedal one way or another. I'm not sure if that is normal or not. I've heard different things. I even drove a 2020 Ascent that did the same thing, and it only had 100 miles on it. So I can only assume that is normal for a Subaru but I don't know for sure. All I do know is that my vehicle gradually stopped doing that, and now it's not doing that at all, and I'd have to say the lack of power is pretty bad now. I have to accelerate up to almost 3,000 RPM's to gain any decent acceleration. That is much higher than it should be. Hopefully this new info will be helpful. I look forward to hearing from you and I really appreciate all your help! Thanks!
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Wednesday, March 18th, 2020 AT 1:50 PM
Tiny
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Hi again, I was just going back over your previous messages and something caught my eye. According to my mechanic, my fuel pump is testing at 40 PSI but in your notes it stated that average PSI should be between 49 and 58. Is 40 PSI low enough to cause such issues in my performance? Thanks!
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Wednesday, March 18th, 2020 AT 1:58 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

The 49 to 58 are the manufacturer's specs. Yes, lower fuel pressure can cause a power loss and poor running conditions. If the pressure was 40 psi when checked, it may drop even lower the longer it runs. Actually, if you read right after the specs in the aforementioned directions, it indicates if the pressure is not within spec, to replace the pump.

See below note:

NOTE:
- The fuel pressure gauge registers 10 to 20 kPa (0.1 to 0.2 kgf/cm2, 1 to 3 psi) higher than standard values during high-altitude operations.
- Check or replace the fuel pump and fuel delivery line if the fuel pressure is out of the standard.

Fuel pressure:
Standard: 340 - 400 kPa (3.5 - 4.1 kgf/cm2, 49 - 58 psi)

Joe
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Wednesday, March 18th, 2020 AT 4:12 PM

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