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Hole in oil pan and codes P0011, P2279 and P0341

Tiny
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  • 2015 VOLKSWAGEN GOLF
  • 1.8L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 66,000 MILES
Hi, my son was driving on the freeway and hit something that broke a hole in the oil pan around where the drain plug is. He got off the freeway with-in a mile or two and pulled over and the engine shut off. I got there within 20 minutes and the engine was still leaking and he says it didn't heat up or make noise before shutting off. We towed it home and dropped the pan and the oil smell normal and internally the engine looks clean. I tried just taping the starter to see if the engine would turn and it clicked but would not turn over.

I scanned it and I have:

P0011- Camshaft position actuator A Bank ! Timing over advanced
P2279 intake air system Leak
P0341 Camshaft Position Sensor A Bank 1 CKT Range /Perf

So I there a procedure that you could walk me through to try a restart? How to trouble shoot this?
I know it is an interference fit engine so do I need to check the timing belt first?
I have a new pan coming and I intend to do the work myself short of a timing belt, head repair or long block.
I have lots of experience but with older cars.
Thanks, your last answer was really useful!
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Saturday, May 9th, 2020 AT 3:46 PM

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Tiny
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That is quite a large hole so before you do anything, put a wrench on the crank pulley and try turning the engine over by hand. If the engine doesn't turn over by hand then more then likely it jumped timing and may have locked the engine up which is why it shut off.

If you can turn it by hand then yes, we need to tear it down and check timing because the PCM is seeing that the timing is not correct.

Let me know what you find with trying to turn it over and we can go from there. Thanks
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Saturday, May 9th, 2020 AT 6:47 PM
Tiny
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Hi, thanks for your reply. Can I get clarification on turning the engine over? It's an interference fit motor so am I just checking to see if it hits the valves then do the timing belt?
Can I harm the engine by trying to turn it and possibly running a piston into the valves? There is an Camshaft actuator that when starved of oil will mis-adjust the valve timing and give the code I got, do you know if the actuator has to be replaced or will it work if the oil pressure is restored by refilling the engine?
I'm trying to figure out if the engine sensors will let the engine start when refilled with oil or do I need to go through some process first.
I know this is tedious but that's a VW thing, I know if I take it to the shop they are going want to sell me a new engine and normally I might agree but this thing has 10 sensors that may just be stopping the engine so I'm not sure where to start.

Thanks for your help.
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Sunday, May 10th, 2020 AT 11:47 AM
Tiny
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I mean you turn the engine over by hand. You do not want to turn it over using the key because you could hurt something. You will not hurt anything if you are using a wrench or socket on the crank pulley bolt and then you turn it over by hand just to see if it will make a complete rotation. There will be points of resistance when each piston is at TDC but it will turn if it is not locked up.

I agree with your direction. Each of those things need to be checked but they won't matter if the engine doesn't turn over by hand. You don't need to wait for the oil pan and to get the oil filled. You can turn it over now and if it makes at least one complete revolution then nothing is touching each other and you can proceed with replacing the oil pan filling it and priming the engine.

The actuator that you are talking about will throw a code when there is no oil but once it is primed it will go back in place. All that does is advance or retard the timing for best operating. Once the oil pressure is back up and the PCM commands it to a certain position it will do that unless it has failed which is unlikely in this case. I attached a guide that will talk about that system for more info.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-camshaft-variable-valve-timing-works
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Sunday, May 10th, 2020 AT 7:51 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I get it. I am going to try it in the morning, really hoping it turns or it's about to get really expensive.
Thanks!
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Sunday, May 10th, 2020 AT 8:52 PM
Tiny
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So it is frozen solid not even a hint of movement, so what are my options? Does that just mean it's seized or is there something else to look at? If it jammed against a valve it would need to be torn down anyway right?
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Monday, May 11th, 2020 AT 8:25 AM
Tiny
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Correct. At this point you can remove the spark plugs and put a borescore down the cylinders to see where it is and get a better idea of what you would need to do but more then likely the head at least, needs to come off to assess the damage.

Unfortunately this is not a great scenario but we won't know the extent of the repair until we see inside the engine. Sorry this is the result. Let me know what questions you have. Thanks
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Monday, May 11th, 2020 AT 7:18 PM

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