Fluid for antique car transmission

Tiny
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Hopefully someone can tell me what is the correct fluid to use in a 1938 automobile.
It has a three speed, Warner, manual transmission.

It's important for this information to be accurate for shifting of gears to work.
Saturday, May 9th, 2020 AT 8:19 AM

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Tiny
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Can you tell us what the make and model of the vehicle is? We are going to have to research the vehicle in order to find the info about it. They did not publish information based on a transmission. It was based on the vehicle and then you can dig further from there. Also, is this the original transmission? At least is this the same type of transmission that came in the vehicle even if it is not the actual unit that came in the vehicle as long as it has been altered over the years. Thanks
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Saturday, May 9th, 2020 AT 9:57 AM
Tiny
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Hi, the car is a 1938 American Bantam, the transmission is an original.
I tried to investigate the fluid online,
But their are so opinions, but no
Exact Information. I wrote to Borg Warner, but never received an answer.
Even the larger oil companies don't know because the car is 80 plus
Years old.

Thanks for the help

Kenny
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Saturday, May 9th, 2020 AT 10:36 AM
Tiny
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Okay, thanks. This is going to take a little research. I have sent some emails to some other guys that have owned some older vehicles like this to get their input as well. I will hopefully have some good info by tomorrow. I just wanted to update you where we are.
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Sunday, May 10th, 2020 AT 6:25 PM
Tiny
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My 1946 CJ2A Jeep (3rd row #4), a near "cousin" of a Bantam BRC-40 (2nd row#2). (pic 1 below)

The Bantam BRC pilot car is the 1st ancestor for all Jeeps. Bantam was a struggling car company and the pilot car was going to be their savior when it was the only submission for a government contract for a scout type vehicle. There's a lot more to the story! (You could probably tell us)

Back then in the 1940's manual transmissions used 90Wt. gear oil.

I also looked up gear oil for a 1938 Bantam Roadster on the net, It used 90 wt. in it's transmission. I'd feel confident with that!

I used the same in my 1977 CJ-5 (also in my previous five CJ-5s too!)

20 some odd years ago, 90 Wt. was a real common thing to find at an auto parts store and even in Walmart.

Now days you have to search for it if that is your desire, or you can use Use 80w-90 GL5 as a substitute. This is what I use in both of my Jeeps.

A few months back I was unable to find Use 80w-90 GL5 on the shelf at Walmart at 2 A.M. to help a friend out in an "emergency" by his standards!

We found this, a little pricey (as packaged/advertised for boat motor gears), but it is 90 wt and if it had been in a plain Jane container it would be much cheaper! My friend bought 3! See link below:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mercury-92-858064K01-Marine-SAE-90-High-Performance-Gear-Lube-1-quart/54188322

Pouring this stuff from whatever container you get into a cleaned out gallon antifreeze jug and then purchasing a cheap pump from an auto parts store (maybe $7.00) will let you fill up without making a mess!

Send us a picture of your rig, let us know how things turn out.

The Medic
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Sunday, May 10th, 2020 AT 6:45 PM
Tiny
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Hi, someone sent me a photo of the Bantam Transmission, by this photo can you tell how and where to add the gear oil.

Thank you, Kenny
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Tuesday, May 12th, 2020 AT 5:44 AM
Tiny
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I made you a pic in "MS Paint". See pic below.

Does this make it better to understand?

The fill plug on any manual transmission might be on either side, about halfway up.

Most also have a drain plug either way down low on a side or down on the bottom side. Some even have a magnet made into the drain plug to catch any wear metal shavings so they don't circulate in the transmission.

Purple power (sometimes with a little brushing) and a garden hose sprayer will clean that grease off fast and easy and make it look really good! The ole time regular kind works just fine too.

Send us a pic of your project!

The Medic
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Tuesday, May 12th, 2020 AT 11:49 AM
Tiny
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Mr. Medic, hi, the transmission photo is not from my car, mine is still in my car.

If possible can you take a look at the picture I sent you?
The confusion for me is, if you look at the left side of the photo, there is a large top screw - bolt which may be where the fluid goes in, otherwise what is this top bolt for.
The side bolt maybe where the fluid flows out when it's full.

Please take a second look.

Thank you, Kenny
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Tuesday, May 12th, 2020 AT 12:48 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

I was able to jack up the car, I'm all set. Changed the fluid must have been there for ten years or more. Next rear end oil.

Thank you,

Kenny
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Tuesday, May 12th, 2020 AT 4:42 PM
Tiny
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Okay,

I was out when you posted before.

Gearboxes (transmissions) are not filled up nearer to the top due to fluid expansion and possibly "bogging" the gear movement down. The fluid gets slung by the gears to where it needs to go.

The fill for the rear probably works the same way, around halfway up will be the fill plug.

Keep us posted!

The Medic
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Tuesday, May 12th, 2020 AT 5:50 PM

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