Fluctuating idle and consistently shuts off at stop signs/stoplights

Tiny
JONATHAN P THOMPSON
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  • 1989 NISSAN SENTRA
  • 1.6L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • MANUAL
  • 291,200 MILES
At idle, the idle speed goes in a wave pattern, from chugging slow to a bit of a rev. The pattern is fairly arbitrary and after a while it usually dies at one of the troughs of the wave.

Consistently shuts off at stop signs/stoplights.

The idling fluctuations also manifest themselves when driving, particularly at low speeds (under 45 mph) but also at highway speeds when the accelerator is not pressed down (so on slight downhills). At high speeds it’s just a mild hesitation. At low speeds it actually jerks.

It performs extremely well when accelerating from zero to 60, or when climbing hills at speed. In other words, when the accelerator is pressed beyond a certain point (about 1/4 of the arc) it does fine, and the problems seem to disappear.

The idle fluctuation tends to be less pronounced when the engine is cold, but doesn’t disappear completely.

Big clue: When the air flow meter is disconnected, the idle fluctuation disappears, and it idles steadily. (Haven’t tried driving with it disconnected). (There is no mass air flow meter on these things, rather it’s an air flow meter on the throttle body itself).

Did self diagnosis on ECU, it said that there was a problem with the air flow meter. But we tested the air flow meter and it seems to test fine (voltage increased when air was blown across sensor).

What we’ve tried so far:

Replaced the air filter.
Replaced oxygen sensor.
Replaced the ERG valve.
Cleaned contacts on sensor connectors (air flow meter, idle control valve, throttle position sensor).
Cleaned the air flow meter sensor.
Cleaned out the throttle body.
Tested the voltage on air flow meter (tested fine).
Replaced the PCV valve.
Replaced the coolant temperature sensor.
Replaced cracked hosing.
Tested fuel pressure (at fuel filter, pre-fuel-pressure regulator). It tested high. Plenty of steady pressure.
Eyeballed the fuel injector spray. Seems fine.
Replaced timing chain tensioner.
Tried two different idle control valves (made no difference, but they both seem to be functioning).
Checked timing (fine).

Arggggh! What else to do?
Tuesday, March 10th, 2020 AT 7:07 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

You replaced the idle air control valve. Since your description sounds like it is related, I have to ask if you checked for dirt or any build up where the valve is seated? Often times there is dirt which can cause the valve not to work properly or restrict air flow.

Take a look through this link:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/idle-air-control-valve-service

If you have already done this, (an you may have) you indicated there is steady pressure. Are you referring to engine vacuum?

Let me know. Also let me know if you have access to a live data scanner.

Joe

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Wednesday, March 11th, 2020 AT 7:25 PM
Tiny
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Thanks! I'll try this out and let you know how it goes.
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Wednesday, March 11th, 2020 AT 9:22 PM
Tiny
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You are very welcome. Let me know what is found. Also, let me know if you were referring to engine vacuum when you said pressure, and let me know if you have a live data scanner.

Take care,
Joe
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Thursday, March 12th, 2020 AT 4:33 PM
Tiny
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Hi, Joe. It turns out the problem was a bad fuel injector (this car has a throttle body injection system, with just one injector). It was reading on the ECU self-diagnosis as an air flow sensor problem, but that wasn't right; it was just a fuel/air mix problem, caused by the injector. And when I said we checked the pressure, I was talking about the fuel pressure from the pump. That was good. Also, we couldn't find any vacuum leaks. Thanks!
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Sunday, March 15th, 2020 AT 7:30 AM
Tiny
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Glad to hear you got it taken care of. Let us know if you have questions in the future.

Take care,
Joe
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Sunday, March 15th, 2020 AT 10:38 AM

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