Envoy surging/hesitating at high speeds

Tiny
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  • 2003 GMC ENVOY
  • 135,000 MILES
We bought this vehicle used last month and since then it has spent more time at the mechanics and dealership than it has on the road.
It drives well, until it hits 80-100km/hr then it feels like it is surging and doesn't seem to have the power it should. We tried to tow our camper with it but it was a struggle to get it to highway speeds. It felt like it wanted to change gears.
No check engine light or codes present. Not sure about fuel mileage as we haven't had it very long.

It has 216KM on it and the following has been done so far:
Changed spark plugs (AC Delco)
Cleaned Throttle body
New air filter
Changed Transmission fluid
Replaced Shift Solenoids
Diagnostic done, no codes
Back pressure test done for Cat.
Upgraded Tranny to Engine software

One thing we do know is that it needs a new manifold, due to ticking and a visible crack.

Took it to the dealership a few times, no help. Also took it to a local Transmission shop for diagnostic, no codes and was told it had "mushy" shifting

We really have no clue what to do now or where to turn. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
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Monday, July 15th, 2013 AT 7:57 PM

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Tiny
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Which manifold is cracked?
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Monday, July 15th, 2013 AT 8:22 PM
Tiny
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The exhaust manifold. We haven't replaced it yet as we have been trying to figure out the other problem. Not sure if we should even keep the vehicle. So frustrated!
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Monday, July 15th, 2013 AT 8:25 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I was thinking intake manifold. The exhaust could cause an issue if it is leaking bad enough. The O2 sensor wouldn't know what to do. Have you checked the fuel pump pressure to make sure it is within the manufacturer's specs?
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Monday, July 15th, 2013 AT 8:29 PM
Tiny
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Haven't checked the fuel pump pressure. Does that have to be done at the dealership? Would the O2 sensor or the fuel pump throw a code? If its the fuel pump would it only happen at higher speeds or when trying to get up and go?
Sorry for all the questions! I really appreciate the help.
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Tuesday, July 16th, 2013 AT 5:50 AM
Tiny
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I'm glad to help. As far as throwing codes, the O2 sensor should if it is working outside its parameters. However, the fuel pump will not.

As far as checking fuel pump pressure, it is easy. You will need a gauge to check it with, but most parts stores will lend you one. Refer to our home page under the DIY section. There you will find both directions and a video to help you check the pressure.

As far as the O2 sensor, you need to have a real time scanner that will show you what parameters the sensor is working within as the engine runs. That one is a little harder to do.
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Tuesday, July 16th, 2013 AT 7:28 PM
Tiny
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Just to add. The dealership was thinking torque converter and told us to drive it in third for a week to see if we notice a difference. I keep forgetting to do it, but when I do I really don't see a difference.
I think the next step is to test the fuel pressure. Apparently replacing the fuel pump isn't cheap! I'm kinda hoping that's not the problem. I feel like I'm constantly throwing money at this truck, but would really like to fix it.
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2013 AT 7:05 PM
Tiny
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Let me know what you find.
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Thursday, July 18th, 2013 AT 3:22 PM

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