1997 Chrysler Concorde Low Speed Fans will not come on at 2

Tiny
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97 Concorde 3.5L, the low speed cooling fans will not come on at 219 degrees. The high speed fans will come on at 230 degrees and go off at 219. I have tried 3 different ECMs and I experience the same problem. I have spoken with the manufacture of the ECMs and they suggested checking voltage drops, this was done and 0.015v was the reading from all grounds and wiring from the ECM to grounds, from ECM to both low and high speed realys. With a scanner connected I can activate both the low speed and high speed relays therefore making the correct fan work. With the engine running and scanner connected I get the following voltage information from the ECT to the ECM: 1.96v=219 degrees NO Low Speed fan operation. 1.76v=230 degrees High Speed fan comes on, then goes off at 1.96v. In addition, I have a 1997 Chrysler LHS with a similiar problem, at 230 degrees it will switch on the low speed fans and not the high speed fans. If I switch these ECMs the problem goes with the ECM.
Thursday, December 10th, 2009 AT 2:15 PM

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Tiny
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Have you check the coolant temp sensor? Have you checked the low speed cooling fan in the power distribution center? Also check fuse D (40amp) in the power distribution center this sends power to the low speed relay. Once you find the low speed relay check for power at the tan wire coming from the low speed relay to the low speed motor.
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Friday, December 11th, 2009 AT 10:27 AM
Tiny
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The ECT was replaced because the original was defective ohmn checked it was way of of range, Low Speed fan is not receiving a ground signal from the ECM. The Power from Fuse "D" is going to the relay and the power from fuse "20" (inside fuse panel) is going to the ignition side of the relay. If I supply a ground the low speed fan relay the fan will come on and stay on until I shut off the engine and set a low fan relay code.
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Friday, December 11th, 2009 AT 10:48 AM
Tiny
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Ok that wasn't mentioned before. Now here is how it is wired. So the fans are grounded together at the left front frame rail. Now there is a power control module on the right fender side sheild that is the relay control module for the fans. It has a white wire and a dk blue wire with a pink stripe this is what closes the relays or controls the grounding.
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Friday, December 11th, 2009 AT 11:00 AM
Tiny
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I presume what you are calling the power control module is the Engine Control Module? The ECM is located on the right inner frame rail and the grounds for the ECM are located in this area, all grounds from the ECM have a voltage drop of 0.015v during operation. The white wire coming out of the ECM is suppose to engerize a ground to the low speed relay when the ECT reads 219 degrees and dengerize when the sensor reads 199 degrees (according to information from AllData). Problem I am having is the low speed fans DO NOT come on at 219 degrees. I have to wait until the coolant reaches 230 degrees and the high speed fans will come on and shut off at 219 degrees.
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Friday, December 11th, 2009 AT 11:14 AM
Tiny
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I know you might be busy, but please help.
Thanks
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Friday, December 11th, 2009 AT 12:42 PM
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Is the CTS an OEM part-check its resistances Hot/Cold readings

The PCM powers the coil side of the relay on the white for the low side relay-the black wire is for both fan motor terminated at left front frame rail


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/12900_relay_26.jpg

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Friday, December 11th, 2009 AT 3:01 PM
Tiny
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Is the CTS an OEM part-check its resistances Hot/Cold readings

The PCM powers the coil side of the relay on the white for the low side relay-the black wire is for both fan motor terminated at left front frame rail

What do you mean by CTS? I presume this is the Engine Coolant Temperature SAensor (ECT). The original was ohmn checked and was out of range both cold and with 219 degree coolant. (AllData specs).
I believe you have it backwards, the power to one side of the low speed coil is supplied by the fuse inside the junction block under the hood. The ECM supplies a ground to the other side of the coil, therefore closing the circuit for the low speed fans to operate. The low speed fans should come on at 219 degrees and go off at 199 degrees. The ground wires for both of the cooling fans do terminate at the left front rail. A voltage drop of 0.015v is recorded when the High Speed fan engages at 230 degrees (measured from the high speed relay to the fan ground) Voltage drop measured at the low speed circuits shows battery voltage at all times. It is my opinion the ECM is not suppling a ground when the ECT reaches 219 degrees.
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Friday, December 11th, 2009 AT 3:54 PM
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My bad I'm partially blind-I'm think of the same thing here ( It is my opinion the ECM is not suppling a ground when the ECT reaches 219 degrees ) but 3 different PCM and still doing the same old thing
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Friday, December 11th, 2009 AT 5:18 PM
Tiny
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No problem, I wear bifocals and it is hard to follow wiring at times.
I know it is hard to believe that 3 remaned ECMs still give me the same problem. I am argueing with the manufacture about this also. What I am tring to seek is if anyone has experienced this problem and what was the solution to the problem.

NOW let me throw in a curve ball.

I also have a 1997 Chrysler LHS with a similiar problem. The low speed cooling fan come on at 230 and will not shut off. The high speed fans never come on unless the A/C is on and the High PSI side will activate them for about 20 seconds and then the high speed fans will shut off.

NOW THE CURVE BALL:
I can switch the ECMs from the LHS to the Concorde and vise-versa. The problem GOES WITH THE ECM.
I cannot get the manufacture to understand this problem.
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Friday, December 11th, 2009 AT 5:42 PM
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I am with you it sounds like the ECM is the problem. Have you used a jumper and gounded the ECM to see if anything changes?
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Saturday, December 12th, 2009 AT 8:47 AM
Tiny
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Yea, I tried putting another jumper wire to the ECM body and nothing changes. I have 1 one ECM coming in Monday and I hope this one is calibrated right. I just cannot see Chrysler letting an coolant go to 230 degrees before activating a cooling fan, I mean 219 is over the boiling point.
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Saturday, December 12th, 2009 AT 9:44 AM
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Normally the fans are set to come on at 220-240 deg- 212 deg water boils

NOTE: A 50/50 mixture of water and ethylene glycol antifreeze in the cooling system will boil at 225 degrees if the cap is open. But as long as the system is sealed and holds pressure, a radiator cap rated at 15 psi will increase the boiling temperature of a 50/50 coolant blend up to 265 degrees F. If the concentration of antifreeze to water is upped to 70/30 (the maximum recommended), the boiling temperature under 15 psi of pressure goes up to 276 degrees.
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Saturday, December 12th, 2009 AT 12:17 PM
Tiny
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The Low Speed Cooling Fans are suppose to come on at 219 degrees and go off at 199 degrees, the High Speed Fans are suppose to come on at 230 degrees and go off at 219 degrees (according to AllData)

This system calls for a 16 psi cap and yes I use a 50/50 mixture, but I might just crank it up to a 70/30 mixture just for good measures.

My problem still is getting the Low Speed Fans to come on at 219 degrees and go off at 199 degrees.
With the Hot weather here in Florida, I dare not chance sending this car out knowing that just the High Speed Fans are coming on at 230 and going off at 219, this engine will be cooking in the hotter weather.
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Saturday, December 12th, 2009 AT 2:48 PM
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Sorry not sure where else to go from here as it does sound like the computer.
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Friday, December 18th, 2009 AT 9:49 AM

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