Code P0141?

Tiny
JACOB GONZALEZ
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  • 2017 HONDA CIVIC
  • 2.0L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 40,000 MILES
I originally got a code P0141 that told me to replace my O2 sensor. The downstream sensor was completely removed and broken. I replaced the sensor and I reset the code. The check engine light came back on after resetting the code and it gave me the same code.I can't seem to find the problem.
Code is P0141.
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Tuesday, December 24th, 2019 AT 5:19 PM

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Tiny
SCGRANTURISMO
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Hello,

The Direct Trouble Code[DTC] P0420 is the DTC that sets when your vehicle's catalytic converters efficiency has diminished to the point where it needs to be replaced, i.E. It's worn out. That is the reason the DTC came back after replacing the downstream O2 sensor and clearing the code. In the diagrams down below I have included the instructions for the removal and installation of the catalytic converter for your vehicle. Please go through this guide and report back with how everything turns out.

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Alex
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Tuesday, December 24th, 2019 AT 5:49 PM
Tiny
JACOB GONZALEZ
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My code was P0141. That's the heater? The catalytic converter seems like it would be a different code? I never had the code for P0420.
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Tuesday, December 24th, 2019 AT 7:06 PM
Tiny
JACOB GONZALEZ
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Thinking it could be a blown fuse.
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Tuesday, December 24th, 2019 AT 7:18 PM
Tiny
SCGRANTURISMO
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Hello again,

Sorry, I completely missed that the DTC number was P0141. In the diagrams down below I have included the diagnostic troubleshooting flowchart for DTC P0141 for your vehicle from the vehicle manufacturer. Please go through this guide and get back to us with what you find out.

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Alex
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Tuesday, December 24th, 2019 AT 8:23 PM
Tiny
JACOB GONZALEZ
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The car looks like it's missing a few fuses. Could that have anything to do with it?
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Wednesday, December 25th, 2019 AT 9:22 AM
Tiny
JACOB GONZALEZ
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Do any of these fuses control the second sensor?
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Wednesday, December 25th, 2019 AT 9:30 AM
Tiny
JACOB GONZALEZ
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We tested all the cables. We have power going to the sensor. The sensor is good. We need a wire diagram for the o2 sensor downstream.
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Wednesday, December 25th, 2019 AT 9:43 AM
Tiny
JACOB GONZALEZ
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We got for generic codes.
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Wednesday, December 25th, 2019 AT 9:47 AM
Tiny
SCGRANTURISMO
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Hello again,

I can't really see what the DTC's are on your code reader because of the glare on the screen. If you could type them in for me that would be better, and I would be happy to help you out with those. In the diagrams down below I have included the Power-train Management wiring diagrams for your vehicle with the Air Fuel Sensor[AF], a newer generation of an O2 sensor, which your vehicle uses, wires highlighted for you. Please get back to us with those DTC's and I hope this helps.

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Alex
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Thursday, December 26th, 2019 AT 5:22 AM
Tiny
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We had someone check all of the wiring and everything was where it was supposed to be. So far we're thinking it's the computer. So we are going to change the computer.
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Monday, December 30th, 2019 AT 6:00 PM
Tiny
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Hello again,

Okay, if you could please give me the DTC's from the code reader we can give you specific step by step flowchart guides from the vehicle manufacturer that will lead you directly to the problem for each DTC.

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Alex
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Monday, December 30th, 2019 AT 6:52 PM
Tiny
JACOB GONZALEZ
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We replaced the computer and reprogrammed the computer. We found a crack on the motherboard the computer from a previous crash and now the problem is all fixed. Appreciate the help.
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Sunday, January 5th, 2020 AT 5:27 PM
Tiny
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SCGRANTURISMO is one of our best! Glad you could get it fixed, that kind of problem can be tough. Please use 2CarPros anytime we are here to help.
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Wednesday, January 8th, 2020 AT 12:12 PM
Tiny
WYANG46
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  • 2006 HONDA CIVIC
  • 4 CYL
  • FWD
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  • 46,000 MILES
I got the two codes P0135 & P0141 recently after the shop installed my race header with no cat with a angle defouler then CEL came on they said probably back pressure from stock exhaust. So I went and got an apexxi ws2 exhaust system and still same result. So they went and got another thing to trick it by connect it to the 2ndary o2 sensor by splicing the wires and connecting to it. Still not working. Going to replace both sensor soon and if it don't work what can I check and do.
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Thursday, January 9th, 2020 AT 11:53 AM (Merged)
Tiny
KHLOW2008
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Hi wyang46,

Both gets their power suply from the PGM-FI main relay, check if power is available.

Grounding is via PCM so check for broken wire circuits.
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Thursday, January 9th, 2020 AT 11:53 AM (Merged)
Tiny
WYANG46
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Could you explain more I trying to fix it so how do I know if it is groud all the wires on both o2's looks fine no tear.
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Thursday, January 9th, 2020 AT 11:53 AM (Merged)
Tiny
KHLOW2008
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Hi Hi wyang46,

I have attached a testing procedure for you.

DTC P0135:
A/F SENSOR (SENSOR 1) HEATER CIRCUIT MALFUNCTION
NOTE: Before you troubleshoot, record all freeze data and any on-board snapshot, and review the general troubleshooting information

1. Turn the ignition switch ON (II).
2. Clear the DTC with the HDS.
3. Start the engine. Hold the engine speed at 3,000 rpm without load (in Park or neutral) until the radiator fan comes on, then let it idle.
4. Check for Temporary DTCs or DTCs with the HDS. Is DTC P0135 indicated?
YES - Go to step 5.
NO - Intermittent failure, the system is OK at this time. Check for poor connections or loose terminals at the A/F sensor (Sensor 1), the PGM-FI subrelay, and the ECM/PCM.
5. Turn the ignition switch OFF.
6. Check the No. 11 FI SUB (15 A) fuse in the underhood fuse/relay box. Is the fuse OK?
YES - Go to step 7.
NO - Go to step 18.
7. Test the PGM-FI subrelay (E) in the under-hood fuse/relay box .


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_PGMFISubRelay06Civic_1.jpg


Fig. 26: Identifying PGM-FI Subrelay Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

Is the PGM-FI subrelay OK?
YES - Go to step 8.
NO - Replace the PGM-FI subrelay, then go to step 23.
8. Disconnect the A/F sensor (Sensor 1) 4P connector.
9. At the sensor side, measure resistance between A/F sensor (Sensor 1) 4P connector terminals No. 3 and No. 4.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_AFSensor06Civic_1.jpg


Fig. 27: Measuring Resistance Between A/F Sensor (Sensor 1) 4P Connector Terminals No. 3 And No. 4 Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

Is there 2.0-2.7 © at room temperature?
YES - Go to step 10.
NO - Go to step 22.
10. At the sensor side, check for continuity between A/F sensor (Sensor 1) 4P connector terminals No. 1 and No. 3, and between terminals No. 1 and No. 4 individually.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_AFSensor06Civic02_1.jpg


Fig. 28: Checking For Continuity Between A/F Sensor 4P Connector Terminals No. 1 & No. 3 And Between Terminals No. 1 & No. 4 Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

Is there continuity?
YES - Go to step 22.
NO - Go to step 11.
11. Jump the SCS line with the HDS.
12. Disconnect ECM/PCM connector C (44P).
13. Check for continuity between A/F sensor (Sensor 1) 4P connector terminal No. 3 and ECM/PCM connector terminal C9.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_AFSensor06Civic03_1.jpg


Fig. 29: Checking For Continuity Between A/F Sensor (Sensor 1) 4P Connector Terminal No. 3 And ECM/PCM Connector Terminal C9 Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

Is there continuity?
YES - Go to step 14.
NO - Repair open in the wire between the ECM/PCM (C9) and the A/F sensor (Sensor 1), then go to step 23.
14. Remove the PGM-FI subrelay (E) from the underhood fuse/relay box.
15. Check for continuity between A/F sensor (Sensor 1) 4P connector terminal No. 4 and PGM-FI subrelay 4P connector terminal No. 2.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_AFSensor06Civic04_1.jpg


Fig. 31: Checking For Continuity Between A/F Sensor 4P Connector Terminal No. 4 And PGM-FI Subrelay 4P Connector Terminal No. 2
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Thursday, January 9th, 2020 AT 11:53 AM (Merged)
Tiny
WYANG46
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Thank you for all your help but what about the P0141 and is there a site where I can this info from. Is the ex model same as the SI because I have the SI model.
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Thursday, January 9th, 2020 AT 11:53 AM (Merged)
Tiny
KHLOW2008
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Hi wyang46,

If you want any information you can try getting an online shop manual at Mitchell1. Their data are quite comprehensive and since you are interested in tinkering with the car, that would be the best option.
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Thursday, January 9th, 2020 AT 11:53 AM (Merged)
Tiny
WYANG46
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Thanks I fixed the P0135 the O2 was bad and replaced it but I still have P0141 and going to replace that later this week thanks for your help really appreciated.
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