Check engine light with misfiring code

Tiny
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  • 2002 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE
  • 4.0L
  • 6 CYL
  • 2WD
  • 150,000 MILES
I have replaced plugs, coil pack rail, and still get a misfire code cylinder 4 and 6.
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Friday, August 28th, 2020 AT 2:26 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

A misfire can be the result of things other than ignition related components. It could be a faulty fuel Injector, a compression related issue, or even a fuel pressure issue (too high or too low).

Since you have already replaced the ignition components, the next thing I suggest checking fuel pressure and pressure drop off. If you find that pressure drops off too fast when the power is turned off, suspect a leaking injector.

Here is a link that shows how in general to test fuel pressure:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Here are directions specific to your vehicle along with the manufacturer's specs for pressure. The attached pics correlate with the directions.

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2002 Jeep Truck Grand Cherokee 2WD Laredo L6-4.0L VIN S
Fuel Pump Pressure Test
Vehicle Power-train Management Fuel Delivery and Air Induction Fuel Pump Fuel Pressure Testing and Inspection Component Tests and General Diagnostics Fuel Pump Pressure Test
FUEL PUMP PRESSURE TEST
Use this test in conjunction with other fuel system tests. Refer to the Fuel Pump Capacity Test, Fuel Pressure Leak Down Test and Fuel Pump Amperage Test.

Check Valve Operation: The electric fuel pump outlet contains a one-way check valve to prevent fuel flow back into the tank and to maintain fuel supply line pressure (engine warm) when pump is not operational. It is also used to keep the fuel supply line full of gasoline when pump is not operational. After the vehicle has cooled down, fuel pressure may drop to 0 psi (cold fluid contracts), but liquid gasoline will remain in fuel supply line between the check valve and fuel injectors. Fuel pressure that has dropped to 0 psi on a cooled down vehicle (engine OFF) is a normal condition. When the electric fuel pump is activated, fuel pressure should immediately (1 - 2 seconds) rise to specification.

The fuel system is equipped with a combination fuel filter/fuel pressure regulator. The fuel pressure regulator is not controlled by engine vacuum.

WARNING: THE FUEL SYSTEM IS UNDER CONSTANT FUEL PRESSURE EVEN WITH THE ENGINE OFF. BEFORE DISCONNECTING FUEL LINE AT FUEL RAIL, THIS PRESSURE MUST BE RELEASED. REFER TO THE FUEL SYSTEM PRESSURE RELEASE PROCEDURE.

Fig. 12 Test Port Cap Location - 4.0L Engine

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Fig. 13 Test Port Cap Location - 4.7L V-8 Engine

pic 2

Fig. 14 Fuel Pressure Test Gauge (Typical Gauge Installation At Test Port)

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1. Remove pressure test port cap at fuel rail test port (Fig. 12) or (Fig. 13). Connect 0 - 414 kPa (0 - 60 psi) fuel pressure gauge (from gauge set 5069) to test port pressure fitting on fuel rail (Fig. 14). The DRB III Scan Tool along with the PEP module, the 500 psi pressure transducer, and the transducer-to-test port adapter may also be used in place of the fuel pressure gauge.
2. Start and warm engine and note pressure gauge reading. The DRB scan tool may also be used to power fuel pump. Fuel pressure should be 339 kPa 34 kPa (49.2 psi 5 psi) at idle.
3. If engine runs, but pressure is below 44.2 psi, determine if fuel pump or filter/regulator is defective. Proceed to next step:
a. Check for a kinked fuel supply line somewhere between fuel rail and fuel pump module.

Fig. 15 Fuel Filter/Fuel Pressure Regulator Location

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b. If line is not kinked and pressure is low, raise vehicle and disconnect fuel pressure line at fuel filter/fuel pressure regulator (Fig. 15) . Three fuel lines are attached to filter/regulator. The fuel pressure line is attached to the right side of filter/regulator. It is also the most rearward of the two (Fig. 15)
c. Install Special 5/16" Fuel Line Adapter Tool # 6539 between disconnected fuel line and filter/regulator fitting
d. Attach 0 - 60 psi fuel pressure test gauge to "T" fitting on tool 6539.
e. Use DRB scan tool to power fuel pump. If pressure is now within specifications, replace fuel filter/fuel pressure regulator.
f. If pressure is still low, replace fuel pump module.
4. If operating pressure is above 54.2 psi, electric fuel pump is OK, but fuel pressure regulator is defective Replace fuel filter/fuel pressure regulator.
5. Install test port cap to fuel rail test port.

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Here are the directions for a leak down test.

2002 Jeep Truck Grand Cherokee 2WD Laredo L6-4.0L VIN S
Fuel Pressure Leak Down Test
Vehicle Power-train Management Fuel Delivery and Air Induction Fuel Pump Fuel Pressure Testing and Inspection Component Tests and General Diagnostics Fuel Pressure Leak Down Test
FUEL PRESSURE LEAK DOWN TEST
FUEL PRESSURE LEAK DOWN TEST
Use this test in conjunction with the Fuel Pump Pressure Test and Fuel Pump Capacity Test.

Check Valve Operation: The electric fuel pump outlet contains a one-way check valve to prevent fuel flow back into the tank and to maintain fuel supply line pressure (engine warm) when pump is not operational. It is also used to keep the fuel supply line full of gasoline when pump is not operational. After the vehicle has cooled down, fuel pressure may drop to 0 psi (cold fluid contracts), but liquid gasoline will remain in fuel supply line between the check valve and fuel injectors. Fuel pressure that has dropped to 0 psi on a cooled down vehicle (engine OFF) is a normal condition. When the electric fuel pump is activated, fuel pressure should immediately (1 - 2 seconds) rise to specification.

Abnormally long periods of cranking to restart a hot engine that has been shut down for a short period of time may be caused by:
- Fuel pressure bleeding past a fuel injector(s).
- Fuel pressure bleeding past the check valve in the fuel pump module.
- A defective fuel filter/pressure regulator.

Two # 6539, 5/16", Fuel Line Pressure Test Adapter Hose Tools are required for the following tests.
1. Release fuel system pressure. Refer to Fuel Pressure Release Procedure.
2. Raise vehicle.

Fig. 1 Disconnect Fuel Pressure Line At Filter/Regulator

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Fuel Line Identification: The fuel filter/pressure regulator is located in front of the fuel tank and above the rear axle. It is transversely mounted to a chassis crossmember (left-to-right). The filter/regulator is equipped with 3 fuel line fittings (2 at one end and 1 at the other end). The single fitting facing the left side of the vehicle is the supply line to the fuel rail (Fig. 1) . The 2 fittings facing the right side of the vehicle are connected to the fuel tank. Of these 2 fittings, the fitting towards the front is used for fuel return to the fuel tank. The fitting towards the rear is a pressure line. This rear fitting must be disconnected for the following step.

3. See previous step. Disconnect fuel pressure line at rear of filter/regulator. This is a 5/16" quick-connect fitting (Fig. 1). Refer to Quick-Connect Fittings for procedures.
4. Obtain correct Fuel Line Pressure Test Adapter Hose Tool # 6539 for 5/16" fuel lines. Connect one end of this Special Tool into the disconnected fuel pressure line. Connect the other end of the Tool into fitting on filter/regulator.
5. Lower vehicle.
6. Disconnect the fuel inlet line at fuel rail. Refer to Quick-Connect Fittings for procedures. On some engines, air cleaner housing removal may be necessary before fuel line disconnection.

Fig. 2 Connecting Adapter Tool - Typical
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7. Obtain a second Fuel Line Pressure Test Adapter Hose Tool # 6539 for 5/16" fuel lines. Connect this tool between disconnected fuel line and fuel rail (Fig. 2)
8. Connect the 0 - 414 kPa (0 - 60 psi) fuel pressure test gauge (from Gauge Set 5069) to the test port on the appropriate Adaptor Tool. NOTE: The DRB III Scan Tool along with the PEP module, the 500 psi pressure transducer, and the transducer-to-test port adapter may also be used in place of the fuel pressure gauge.

CAUTION: The fittings on both tools must be in good condition and free from any small leaks before performing the proceeding test.

9. Start engine and bring to normal operating temperature.
10. Observe fuel pressure test gauge (or DRB screen). Normal operating pressure should be 339 kPa 34 kPa (49.2 psi 5 psi).
11. Shut engine off.
12. Pressure should not fall below 30 psi for five minutes.
13. If pressure falls below 30 psi, it must be determined if a fuel injector, the supply check valve within the fuel pump module, the fuel filter/pressure regulator, or a fuel tube/line is leaking.
14. Again, start engine and bring to normal operating temperature.
15. Shut engine off.
16. Testing for fuel injector or fuel rail leakage: Clamp off the rubber hose portion of the 6539 Adaptor Tool between the fuel rail and the test port on Adapter Tool (be sure clamping pressure is sufficient). If pressure now holds at or above 30 psi, a fuel injector or the fuel rail is leaking.
17. Again, start engine and bring to normal operating temperature.
18. Shut engine off.
19. Raise vehicle.
20. Testing for fuel filter/pressure regulator leakage: While continuing to securely clamp between the fuel rail and the test port "T" on Adaptor Tool 6539, securely clamp off any rubber hose portion of the Adaptor Tool 6539 that was installed between the fuel pressure line and the filter/regulator fitting (by restricting the pump module supply line's backflow, you isolate any leakdown originating from the filter/regulator via the tank return line.) If the pressure falls below 30 psi within 5 minutes, the filter/regulator is leaking. If it now holds at or above 30 psi, the electric fuel pump check valve is leaking or a fuel tube/line is leaking. A fuel odor presence would indicate the latter.

The electric fuel pump is not serviced separately. If replacement is necessary, replace the fuel pump module assembly The filter/regulator may be replaced separately Refer to Fuel Filter/Fuel Pressure Regulator Removal/Installation for additional information.

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Do this and let me know what you find or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
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