Car stumbles in reverse and jerky when accelerating from a stop

Tiny
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  • 2011 CHEVROLET AVEO
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My car, during reverse it stumbles, and when taking off from a stop it's jerky. So to compensate for the problem to not happen, I have to hit pedal hard, the car never shut off on me, no check engine light, new ACdelco fuel pump, new spark plugs, and coil pack, new exhaust manifold gasket, new valve cover gasket. By the way this car model does not have a fuel filter, it's built in the pump. New throttle body, why because TPS sensor is connected to it, 2 new fuel injectors, I have a obd to look at my injectors it looks right, new down stream o2 however I think this may be the problem.I'm not that advance to no how to read trims to spot something. Forgot to mention static fuel rail pressure was checked and it's holding no more then 3 psi loss in a minute. The picture of both o2 sensor while driving 45 mph. Also I have the ability to do a video of the reading live.
Saturday, February 29th, 2020 AT 4:35 PM

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Tiny
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Hello, have you checked the EGR valve for proper operation? The EGR is not used at idle only higher rpm's, make sure it's closing all the way and not hanging open at lower rpm's. Also what are the fuel trim numbers at idle and 2,500 rpm? There's not much data to go by here, just what you're telling us. Those 02's look active, but there is that lean drop out there (lower voltage reading). So fuel trim numbers and 02 readings at idle and 2,500 rpm's to start with. A video of the live data would help much.
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Saturday, February 29th, 2020 AT 5:45 PM
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Not to keep you waiting I need to configure the app to provide you what's needed in the video, far as EGR not sure if this model have one. I can provide my VIN but did call O'Rileys and it was stated no part found.
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Saturday, February 29th, 2020 AT 5:59 PM
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I have one more video with fuel trims, uploading have to edit it.
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Saturday, February 29th, 2020 AT 8:21 PM
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If more videos of different parameters is needed please let me no I'll get it done ASAP.
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Saturday, February 29th, 2020 AT 8:46 PM
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Okay, so I've watched the videos a couple of times and it's very hard to see the screen, but I see a couple of things right away. That fuel trim at idle, long term trim was at -12.5%. This means the ECM is taking away 12.5% of fuel at idle, that's too much. And the short term fuel trim of 99.2% is off as well. First thing I would try is cleaning the mass air flow sensor. But be very careful with it, they're fragile. Buy some mass air flow cleaner and a little brush. Make sure there's no carbon build up on the resistors. Another thing I see is that bank 1 sensor 2 02 sensor, it's pegged out full rich at 0.7 volts. This is the 02 sensor after the catalytic converter, it shouldn't be that rich. A back pressure test at the front 02 sensor (removed) should be 0-2psi at idle, any more than that and the catalytic converter is no good. But just remember I'm only going by what data I can see. But start with cleaning the mass air flow, give it a good look. The carbon build up is kind of hard to see.
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Sunday, March 1st, 2020 AT 4:35 AM
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One other thing, is I see that codes were erased 400 miles ago? Do you know what they were? If you do end up replacing the 02 sensors, make sure you get them from the dealership, aftermarket 02'sensors are junk and usually cause more problems than they solve.
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Sunday, March 1st, 2020 AT 4:40 AM
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Okay, thank you the code erased, was with the coolant sensor, I have a lot of info here. I'm going to provide more videos today.
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Sunday, March 1st, 2020 AT 5:53 AM
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Can you tell me what volt should be seeing at the bank o2 harness? Couple months ago new exhaust flex pipe was added by shop because old one had hole in it, and it is holding up well.
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Sunday, March 1st, 2020 AT 6:24 AM
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Also, I need to mention the downstream o2 sensor was replaced a year ago it was a ACdelco it was about $100.00 got it from amazon box was damage but part was sealed that why they sold it so cheap. P.S the mass air flow sensor I bought is in the pic I'm posting now, it's a aftermarket not a Bosch which was on before replacing could this be the problem?
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Sunday, March 1st, 2020 AT 7:00 AM
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Sunday, March 1st, 2020 AT 7:04 AM
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Okay, I would have a good look at that intake air tube, Make sure there is no cracks or holes in it. That down stream 02 should be steady 0.5 volts or less, it's reading rich which might explain the negative fuel trim numbers. As for the mass air flow, it looks correct according to volumetric efficiency Chart but could still be an issue, I think you can unplug it and the car should run on a default strategy and see if that rear 02 comes down. Also make sure fuel pressure is 55-60 psi at idle and of course check for vacuum leaks (smoke test the intake if necessary). One last thing is how do the spark plugs look? If it's running rich they will have black carbon build up. I am concerned about the catalytic converter also, a back pressure test at idle should be no more than 0-1.5 psi. That rich reading post catalytic converter is a worry but cats are expensive so back pressure test first.
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Sunday, March 1st, 2020 AT 2:51 PM
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It's tough when there's no codes to go by, did you end up replacing the coolant sensor? It's best to get sensors from a dealership (OE).
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Sunday, March 1st, 2020 AT 2:59 PM
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Yes, I did. If you have cash app I want to send you offering for your help.
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Sunday, March 1st, 2020 AT 3:33 PM
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I checked fuel pressure its holding at 45 psi at idle. This may be the promble
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Sunday, March 1st, 2020 AT 3:36 PM
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I appreciate it but you don't have to send anything. The fuel pressure spec for this car is 53-60 psi. Since you have already replaced the pump, I would check to make sure it's getting battery voltage and has a good ground. And it maybe just a weak pump, but ACdelco is a decent brand. And watch what fuel pressure does when the car is stumbling. It may be dropping off. But that 45psi is low.
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Monday, March 2nd, 2020 AT 5:09 PM
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All good. This week I'll preform the test once rain lets up. Thank you.
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Monday, March 2nd, 2020 AT 5:37 PM
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Okay, let us know what you find.
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Wednesday, March 4th, 2020 AT 11:24 AM
Tiny
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Problem was fixed engine mounts and transmission mount.
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Tuesday, May 12th, 2020 AT 2:14 PM

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