'Pulsating' noise between 50-60mph

Tiny
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At highway speeds (50-60mph on freshly paved roads) I hear what can best be described as a pulsating noise coming from my front end. When I brake the noise becomes more pronounced and if I brake hard enough, I can feel it in the steering wheel. Otherwise, I do not feel the noise when it can be heard.

My initial thoughts were a bad alignment/out of balance wheels since I've had to have all four wheels aligned twice in the last yea, perhaps the tires have uneven wear as a result of being out of alignment? After the most recent alignment and balance (early August 2012) the noise wasn't as pronounced unless on a freshly paved road or under hard braking.

All repair work/oil changes have been performed at the Honda dealership it was bought from since new. I was told the bearings are OK. The front brakes were last replaced about 25k ago by Honda. Maybe the front brakes are on their way out or the rotors need to be turned? I do a lot of mountain highway driving. I also experience a lot of stop-and-go traffic on the way to work, so there is heavy brake usage. I don't hear the typical 'squeal' that usually happens when pads are about to go out.

The question is: Should I take the vehicle to a different Honda dealer to check for bearings, have the rotors turned, or look at something else?

The last major service was when the short-block was replaced due to cracking (thank god for service bulletins about this) at the beginning of August 2012 when the alignment and wheel balancing was performed.

Thanks for any help!
Thursday, August 23rd, 2012 AT 3:28 PM

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Tiny
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I would have the rotors checked for being warped the tie rods checked for being bad also the wheel bearings. Also the front end in general.
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Thursday, August 23rd, 2012 AT 4:23 PM
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That makes sense, because even after the tire rotation it still seems to be coming from the drivers side front. When a wheel bearing is about to go out, isn't it more of a loud groan that is continuous and increases with speed vs pulsating?
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Thursday, August 23rd, 2012 AT 4:27 PM
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I have heard it both ways on the wheel bearing noise. The reason I said to check the wheel bearing 2 was just to cover all our bases.
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Thursday, August 23rd, 2012 AT 4:40 PM
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Excellent, I'll have it looked at this weekend and let you know how it goes.

Thanks for your help so far.
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Thursday, August 23rd, 2012 AT 4:45 PM
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You're welcome that's what were here for please keep me posted.
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Thursday, August 23rd, 2012 AT 5:18 PM
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Update: The Honda dealer said the noise was coming from the rotors as from the factory, they are incredibly thin and can really only be resurfaced twice before they need to be replaced. They recommended upgrading to heavy duty rotors and pads since I put on 2k a month on my vehicle they would most likely warp again very quickly if I just had them resurfaced. This was priced out to $479 (includes alignment).

Honda also recommended upgrading the rear control arms. I asked if they needed to be replaced and I was told no but it would be an improvement over what is there now. For $390 I felt it was OK to hold off for now.

Is upgrading the control arms something I should look at? I haven't had any problems with handling or uneven tire wear so I'm not entirely sure why I would need them.
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Saturday, August 25th, 2012 AT 4:34 PM
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If you had no handeling issues or alignment or a tire wear issues I wouldn't worry about the control arms.
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Saturday, August 25th, 2012 AT 5:04 PM
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They showed me the tire wear and how it was beginning to become uneven. It was explained that they may be part of the reason why I've had to get an alignment twice in the last year. So I went ahead and am having the control arms replaced too. Supposedly, like the rotors, from the factory on Civics the control arms weren't the best. The new ones are 'upgraded' supposedly. Spending over $700 at the dealer on a Saturday morning isn't my idea of fun but I'd rather take care of things now before they become an issue down the road.
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Saturday, August 25th, 2012 AT 5:11 PM
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Yeah I don't see any TS B's on the rear control arms or the front rotors. Must be something the dealers aware of but Honda's not willing to admit.
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Saturday, August 25th, 2012 AT 6:20 PM
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Must be, I've found a couple of different forums that Honda seems to know about the control arms. The new 'upgraded' arms have a white 'c' stamped on them. The factory originals weren't to spec and caused alignment issues. Supposedly it was an isolated incident.

Same with the rotors. The factory rotors are thin and can only be resurfaced twice before they get too thin. These 'upgraded' rotors are standard now.
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Saturday, August 25th, 2012 AT 8:48 PM
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Sometimes car companies don't find issues till after production like the honda civiccs with the bad inputshaft bearings on the manual transmissions.
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Sunday, August 26th, 2012 AT 4:03 AM
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The noise is still there, it's actually seems worse than before. I've contacted Honda of America who in turn will be contacting the dealer as I don't believe I should have to pay anymore considering the next trip in will be the 3rd visit for the same problem and which I've mentioned a wheel bearing all three times.

I'll keep you posted on what HoA says regarding the dealer's response and if the dealer is willing to resolve the problem.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2012 AT 4:28 PM
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Yes please keep me posted doesn't sound like a fun deal all around.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2012 AT 7:48 PM
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Update:
After contacting the service manager and HoA they're willing to give me a loan vehicle and diagnose the problem at no cost to me. Whether or not they'll cover any repairs has yet to be determined. I guess we'll see what happens this weekend when I drop it off.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2012 AT 8:51 PM
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So far so good please keep me posted.
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Wednesday, August 29th, 2012 AT 4:11 AM
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Small update. Vehicle will be dropped at the Honda dealership this weekend. In addition to the loaner vehicle and free diagnosis the service manager will cover any costs of repair if it is indeed a wheel bearing.

If it's something else then I'll be working with another Honda dealer.
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Wednesday, September 5th, 2012 AT 8:22 PM
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Good to hear since they already charged you for the so called repair. Let me know what you find.
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Wednesday, September 5th, 2012 AT 10:04 PM
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Turns out the noise was not a wheel bearing. The dealer took off my wheels and put on a set from a floor room model. Voila, the noise was gone.

Turns out that the rear upper control arm (that was replaced recently) had caused the tires to wear unevenly and eventually form cupping, which was the noise I was hearing. They did what they call a 'force road balance' on all 4 tires and put the two worst in the rear. The bearings on all four wheels are fine.

They said that over time, the tires will wear evenly now that the upper control arm was replaced and with time the noise will go away.

It stinks it took this long and this many trips to the dealer to have them tell me it was the tires, but I feel much better knowing it's not anything else.
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Saturday, September 8th, 2012 AT 5:13 PM
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Glad to hear that they got it all figured out cupped tires should have been a easy find just running running there hands over the tires.
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Saturday, September 8th, 2012 AT 7:38 PM
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You would think so. The tech that rode along this time was a different one than the first, and the very first thing he did before he got in the car was rub all four tires. I guess it all came down to the tech's level of experience.

Thanks for all of your help with this. I'll consider the question solved.
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Monday, September 10th, 2012 AT 3:01 PM

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