WHAT CAN CAUSE A HESITATION? HONDA TECHS CANT FIND IT

  • Tiny
  • gerar
  • 2006 Honda Civic
  • 89 miles

The car hesitates when the gas pedal is pressed.
for example if I down shift to go into a highway when I get back on the gas, the car hesitates for a second and then it gains power again.

if I am in a hill going up, and I hold the gas down the car will have no power, it keeps going but with a 40% of the power.

the hesitation is highly noticeable in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

another example is when I try to beat the yellow light. And I hit the gas (with out shifting down)there is a hesitation as well.

I hope you guys can help me, the honda techs here in West New York, NJ are very bad.

Wednesday, June 13th, 2012 AT 1:50 AM

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  • Tiny
  • ASEMaster6371
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I would have the cat converter check for being clogged.

Roy

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Wednesday, June 13th, 2012 AT 1:52 AM
  • Tiny
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If I release the gas pedal, and get back on it. The loss of power goes away (when going uphill)

Also, when idling if I hit the gas hard, I hear a "pssst" noise right before the RPMs go up.

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Wednesday, June 13th, 2012 AT 11:19 AM
  • Tiny
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Roy, thanks a lot for the first response, can you please see the last addition that I made?

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Wednesday, June 13th, 2012 AT 11:20 AM
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  • KHLow2008
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If you do not have any trouble codes, then you need to read the live data to understand if anything is not functioning correctly. A bad O2 sensor can cause such symptoms. They might not throw codes but the working voltage could be at the extremes of the range.

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Wednesday, June 13th, 2012 AT 2:28 PM
  • Tiny
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KHLow
I can record anything, can you advise on what I should record and what the values should be. (Estimated values)
Thanks a lot,
Gerardo

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Wednesday, June 13th, 2012 AT 3:10 PM
  • Tiny
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Get the freeze frame data and post them here.

O2 sensor, TPS, etc.

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Wednesday, June 13th, 2012 AT 3:14 PM
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I looked for freeze frame data, but. The result was: no frames logged

I ran a test and got this though: ehicle Manufacturer: Honda Vehicle Calibration ID: 37805-RNA-A090 U

Test report: MID: $01 TID: $80 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: 40S Min: 0S Test result value: 25S PASS ----MID: $01 TID: $81 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: 70Ohm Min: 0Ohm Test result value: 39Ohm PASS ----MID: $01 TID: $83 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: 127.99609mA Min: -1.23047mA Test result value: 0.00391mA PASS ----MID: $01 TID: $84 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: -0.5mA Min: -2.17188mA Test result value: -1.36328mA PASS ----MID: $01 TID: $85 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: 65,535 Min: 37 Test result value: 2,689 PASS ----MID: $01 TID: $86 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: 127.99609mA Min: -2.25391mA Test result value: 0.04297mA PASS ----MID: $01 TID: $87 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Test incomplete or dependant test failed --MID: $02 TID: $98 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2 Max: 65.535V Min: 0.65V Test result value: 0.837V PASS ----MID: $02 TID: $99 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2 Max: 0.293V Min: 0V Test result value: 0.138V PASS ----MID: $02 TID: $9a - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2 Max: 1.27V Min: 0V Test result value: 0.392V PASS ----MID: $02 TID: $9b - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2 Max: 520ms Min: 0ms Test result value: 170ms PASS ----MID: $02 TID: $9c - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2 Max: 65.535V Min: 0.05V Test result value: 0.392V PASS ----MID: $10 TID: $02 Lean to Rich sensor threshold voltage(constant) - O2 Bank 4 Sensor 4 Max: 53,248 Min: 6,248 Test result value: 65,520 FAIL ----MID: $1f TID: $ec -Max: 57,322 Min: 6,216 Test result value: 65,520 FAIL ----MID: $21 TID: $a0 - Catalyst Monitor Bank 1 Max: 722 Min: 0 Test result value: 72 PASS ----MID: $31 TID: $d0 - EGR Monitor Bank 1 Max: 0.04014inch Min: 0inch Test result value: 0.03263inch PASS ----MID: $31 TID: $d1 - EGR Monitor Bank 1 Max: 1.99882inch Min: 0.00589inch Test result value: 0.11569inch PASS ----MID: $31 TID: $d2 - EGR Monitor Bank 1 Max: 655.34998% Min: 347.67999% Test result value: 422.97998% PASS ----MID: $31 TID: $d3 - EGR Monitor Bank 1 Max: 25,199 Min: 0 Test result value: 3,613 PASS ----MID: $39 TID: $b2 -Max: -0.266kPa Min: -32.768kPa Test result value: -1.8kPa PASS ----MID: $3a TID: $b3 - EVAP Monitor (cap off) Max: -1.6kPa Min: -32.768kPa Test result value: -1.746kPa PASS ----MID: $3c TID: $b4 - EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed --MID: $3c TID: $b5 - EVAP Monitor (0.040") Max: 25.6 Min: -327.67999 Test result value: -0.68 PASS ----MID: $3c TID: $b6 - EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed --MID: $3c TID: $b7 -
EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed --MID: $3c TID: $b8 - EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed --MID: $3d TID: $b0 - EVAP Monitor (0.020") Max: 32.767kPa Min: -2kPa Test result value: 0kPa PASS ----MID: $3d TID: $b1 - EVAP Monitor (0.020") Max: -0.266kPa Min: -32.768kPa Test result value: -1.8kPa PASS ----MID: $3f TID: $dd -Max: 4,264 Min: 6,224 Test result value: 63,488 FAIL ----MID: $50 TID: $28 - O2 Heater Monitor Bank 4 - Sensor 4 Max: -204.72% Min: 106.39999% Test result value: -0.16% FAIL ----MID: $81 TID: $d8 - Fuel System Monitor Bank 1 Max: 1.24928 Min: 0.79172 Test result value: 0.95355 PASS ----MID: $a2 TID: $0c Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 1 Data Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count Test result value: 0Count PASS ----MID: $a3 TID: $0c Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 2 Data Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count Test result value: 0Count PASS ----MID: $a4 TID: $0c Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 3 Data Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count Test result value: 0Count PASS ----MID: $a5 TID: $0c Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 4 Data Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count Test result value: 0Count PASS ----MID: $a8 TID: $7d - Misfire Cylinder 7 Data Max: 43.21A Min: 74.72A Test result value: 655.22998A FAIL ----MID: $bf TID: $db -Max: 21,845 Min: 21,845 Test result value: 65,525 FAIL ----

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Thursday, June 14th, 2012 AT 2:53 AM
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Sorry for the huge file, but I had to do copy and paste on my phone.

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Thursday, June 14th, 2012 AT 2:54 AM
  • Tiny
  • gerar
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Here is a better and more organized report: (thanks a lot for your help)

I looked for freeze frame data, but. The result was: no frames logged

I ran a test and got this though: vehicle Manufacturer: Honda Vehicle Calibration ID: 37805-RNA-A090 U

Test report: MID: $01 TID: $80 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: 40S Min: 0S Test result value: 25S PASS

----MID: $01 TID: $81 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: 70Ohm Min: 0Ohm Test result value: 39Ohm PASS

----MID: $01 TID: $83 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: 127.99609mA Min: -1.23047mA Test result value: 0.00391mA PASS

----MID: $01 TID: $84 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: -0.5mA Min: -2.17188mA Test result value: -1.36328mA PASS

----MID: $01 TID: $85 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: 65,535 Min: 37 Test result value: 2,689 PASS

----MID: $01 TID: $86 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Max: 127.99609mA Min: -2.25391mA Test result value: 0.04297mA PASS

----MID: $01 TID: $87 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Test incomplete or dependant test failed

--MID: $02 TID: $98 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2 Max: 65.535V Min: 0.65V Test result value: 0.837V PASS

----MID: $02 TID: $99 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2 Max: 0.293V Min: 0V Test result value: 0.138V PASS

----MID: $02 TID: $9a - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2 Max: 1.27V Min: 0V Test result value: 0.392V PASS

----MID: $02 TID: $9b - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2 Max: 520ms Min: 0ms Test result value: 170ms PASS

----MID: $02 TID: $9c - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2 Max: 65.535V Min: 0.05V Test result value: 0.392V PASS

----MID: $10 TID: $02 Lean to Rich sensor threshold voltage(constant) - O2 Bank 4 Sensor 4 Max: 53,248 Min: 6,248 Test result value: 65,520 FAIL

----MID: $1f TID: $ec -Max: 57,322 Min: 6,216 Test result value: 65,520 FAIL

----MID: $21 TID: $a0 - Catalyst Monitor Bank 1 Max: 722 Min: 0 Test result value: 72 PASS

----MID: $31 TID: $d0 - EGR Monitor Bank 1 Max: 0.04014inch Min: 0inch Test result value: 0.03263inch PASS

----MID: $31 TID: $d1 - EGR Monitor Bank 1 Max: 1.99882inch Min: 0.00589inch Test result value: 0.11569inch PASS

----MID: $31 TID: $d2 - EGR Monitor Bank 1 Max: 655.34998% Min: 347.67999% Test result value: 422.97998% PASS

----MID: $31 TID: $d3 - EGR Monitor Bank 1 Max: 25,199 Min: 0 Test result value: 3,613 PASS

----MID: $39 TID: $b2 -Max: -0.266kPa Min: -32.768kPa Test result value: -1.8kPa PASS

----MID: $3a TID: $b3 - EVAP Monitor (cap off) Max: -1.6kPa Min: -32.768kPa Test result value: -1.746kPa PASS

----MID: $3c TID: $b4 - EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed

--MID: $3c TID: $b5 - EVAP Monitor (0.040") Max: 25.6 Min: -327.67999 Test result value: -0.68 PASS

----MID: $3c TID: $b6 - EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed

--MID: $3c TID: $b7 -
EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed --MID: $3c TID: $b8 - EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed

--MID: $3d TID: $b0 - EVAP Monitor (0.020") Max: 32.767kPa Min: -2kPa Test result value: 0kPa PASS

----MID: $3d TID: $b1 - EVAP Monitor (0.020") Max: -0.266kPa Min: -32.768kPa Test result value: -1.8kPa PASS

----MID: $3f TID: $dd -Max: 4,264 Min: 6,224 Test result value: 63,488 FAIL

----MID: $50 TID: $28 - O2 Heater Monitor Bank 4 - Sensor 4 Max: -204.72% Min: 106.39999% Test result value: -0.16% FAIL

----MID: $81 TID: $d8 - Fuel System Monitor Bank 1 Max: 1.24928 Min: 0.79172 Test result value: 0.95355 PASS

----MID: $a2 TID: $0c Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 1 Data Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count Test result value: 0Count PASS

----MID: $a3 TID: $0c Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 2 Data Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count Test result value: 0Count PASS

----MID: $a4 TID: $0c Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 3 Data Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count Test result value: 0Count PASS

----MID: $a5 TID: $0c Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 4 Data Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count Test result value: 0Count PASS

----MID: $a8 TID: $7d - Misfire Cylinder 7 Data Max: 43.21A Min: 74.72A Test result value: 655.22998A FAIL

----MID: $bf TID: $db -Max: 21,845 Min: 21,845 Test result value: 65,525 FAIL

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Thursday, June 14th, 2012 AT 10:54 AM
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  • KHLow2008
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I am not sure if I understand all the information provided.

These are the code that failed.

----MID: $01 TID: $87 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Test incomplete or dependant test failed
----MID: $10 TID: $02 Lean to Rich sensor threshold voltage(constant) - O2 Bank 4 Sensor 4 Max: 53,248 Min: 6,248 Test result value: 65,520 FAIL

----MID: $1f TID: $ec -Max: 57,322 Min: 6,216 Test result value: 65,520 FAIL

----MID: $3c TID: $b4 - EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed

----MID: $3c TID: $b6 - EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed

--MID: $3c TID: $b7 -
EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed --MID: $3c TID: $b8 - EVAP Monitor (0.040") Test incomplete or dependant test failed

----MID: $3f TID: $dd -Max: 4,264 Min: 6,224 Test result value: 63,488 FAIL

----MID: $50 TID: $28 - O2 Heater Monitor Bank 4 - Sensor 4 Max: -204.72% Min: 106.39999% Test result value: -0.16% FAIL

----MID: $a8 TID: $7d - Misfire Cylinder 7 Data Max: 43.21A Min: 74.72A Test result value: 655.22998A FAIL

----MID: $bf TID: $db -Max: 21,845 Min: 21,845 Test result value: 65,525 FAIL

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After deleting those that I think are irrelevant as your scan tools might not be fully compatible with the vehicle and is picking up unrelevant data, there were mention of Bank 4 Sensor 4.

----MID: $01 TID: $87 - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1 Test incomplete or dependant test failed

This is the only one that might mean something.

Generally the data does not show any iregularities so our attention should be going somewhere else.

Have you tested the fuel pressure?
Test the TPS performance.

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Thursday, June 14th, 2012 AT 1:33 PM

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