1998 Plymouth Breeze Expresso

Tiny
WJBROWN1981
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  • 1998 PLYMOUTH BREEZE
  • 4 CYL
  • FWD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 120,000 MILES
I bought this from a friend who informed me the starter needed to be replaced. Upon replacing the old with a new one, the car started and seemed to be running fine. I drove it, brought it home then shut it off. I tried starting it again and nothing. I popped the hood and examined the starter finding the solinoid was hot to the touch. I assumed the starter was a dud so I took it back and got another. Same problem. This time I noticed the starter was staying engaged with the flywheel. There was no shim present when I removed the old starter so I assume no shim is needed for this vehicle. Ive replaced the black ignition box located opposite the lock cylinder thinking that was the problem. It wasnt. At the cost of yet another starter. Ive checked the starter relay, good. Ignition swith, good. Starter, brand new, (no refirb.) There doesnt appear to be any burnt wires. Fusible links check out fine. Ive ruled out a shorted wire causing the starter to stay engaged because if this where the case the starter would kick on simply by placing the ignition to the run position. This car has managed to completely hide the cause of this problem. There has to be an answer to this problem :) Its a nice looking, good running car that id rather not give up on. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Thank you.
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Friday, March 4th, 2011 AT 10:07 AM

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Tiny
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Check that the small solenoid wire on the starter has no power with the engine running, Wire with red arrow in pic, check with a multi meter it should have 0 Volts, I am looking for a back feed down this wire, this would cause your problems.

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Friday, March 4th, 2011 AT 1:18 PM
Tiny
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I found no voltage at this wire while the engine was running. I also disconnected this wire and ran a jumper wire through a 12 volt push button switch attached to the battery, placed the ignition in the "run" position, then while standing in front of the car, started the car using this switch. After starting the car and releasing the button removing the power source from the solinoid completely, the starter stayed engaged yet again with the motor. Would you say in this scenario that the problem would be strickly mechanical? Such as the starter is too close to the flywheel? I researched extensivley online for any indication of this model having shims for the starter and nothing ive seen has indicated this. I cant even find a shim online designed for this vehicle. Im officially stumped. :)
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Saturday, March 5th, 2011 AT 8:42 PM
Tiny
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My first thoughts are a faulty or sticky Bendix drive, this is the sliding gear on the starter that engages the drive plate ring gear, I would have this checked first.

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Saturday, March 5th, 2011 AT 10:01 PM
Tiny
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We checked the starter outsiude of the vehicle and it works as it should. Would you happen to know how many wires attach to this starter? Currently there is the large red + from the battery, the brown solenoid wire which plugs in. Then a green wire thats attached to the ground that enters the main body via braided copper wire. I assume green is ground but is it possible this wire may be in contact with a positive feed some where? If that is the case would that cause the starter to stay on? Even when there is no voltage at the brown solenoid wire?
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Wednesday, March 9th, 2011 AT 9:54 PM

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