I've built a gauge that I can have attached the the transmission while driving down the road to test pressures at shift points. I just need to get my car back as my brother has been borrowing it for the past few weeks. Thinking more about this, it's a warm condition as kmomotaro has reiterated. Things that happen when the overall temperature of the car is warmer is that the transmission fluid is thinner, the ECT sensor sends a lower resistance to the ECM, seals soften up and become more pliable. Resistance in wires increases (even if minimal it's still a suspect. Components expand. Just food for thought to maybe provoke an idea?
March, 16, 2012 AT 2:28 AM
It could be a valve that's leaking at higher temps, due to the thinner trans fluid.
March, 16, 2012 AT 12:55 PM
Kinda what I thought about the CPC valve that I mentioned earlier on. I've heard that the spring can lose a coil or more after use and wondered if that valve in particular could cause this problem only from second to third?
March, 16, 2012 AT 9:19 PM
That's something that I can't answer. I'm not a transmission specialist. We don't have anyone with that type of in-depth transmission specialist knowledge.
March, 17, 2012 AT 12:45 PM
If the CPC valve is faulty, you would be getting the problem all the time, either cold or at operating temperature.
For transmission, actually the reverse is true of slipping. They tend to slip when cold and works well at operating temperature as pressure losses are reduced when components and seals heats up and expands.
Yours is slipping only when at operating temperature which is the reverse and I would lean towards a sensor fault. Sensors could be sending signals that are interpreted too slowly or slightly out of range and this could be a fault of the PCM or its software.
TPS, ECT, VSS, Linear solenoid, shift solenoids are all possible fault areas.
April, 5, 2012 AT 1:05 PM
That's kind of where I've been leaning the whole time with this car. I haven't been able to take shift pressures yet because of working on a Powerstroke engine miss and working on the other civic I converted over to V-tec. Which is interesting. So I had updated earlier on in this thread that when I finished converting the other civic to V-tec that the shift flare persisted. Well it did, but now it has stopped! The only things I switched were some pin out locations on the wiring harness to match the PCM, the PCM and the Intake manifold. I'm gonna say I may have a combination issue with this car. I had replaced the PCM with other used PCM's but never a known good one. So I'm gonna go find a known good one and try this out. Second reason I believe this is because what KHLow just mentioned above, and secondly I just finished working on a 2000 Accord with delayed shifting and hard shifts and hot soak issues. Swapped out engine and tranny for known good 2002 drivetrain and still had issues. So swapped 2000 PCM with 2002 good unit and wallah! No more shifting or hot soak issues! So I'm gonna bet my money that this is either only a PCM issue or combination PCM and linear solenoid because I've heard that one can knock the other out.
April, 5, 2012 AT 4:13 PM
For the newer models, updating the PCM might solve the problem.
May, 7, 2012 AT 2:01 PM
Yeah, I would agree and I actually contacted Honda about reflashing my PCM and they informed me that these PCM's can not be reflashed. So I guess the only option to update is with a new PCM or known good one. Also I wanted to let kmomotaro and bgorpy know that someone wanted to buy my car regardless of it having this problem. I've ended up selling my problem car and no longer have it at my disposal to do tests on but I am friends with the individual and if I find a good PCM I'm going to swap it out and see what the results are. Please keep this thread updated with what you all do. I'd like to know the fix for this!
May, 7, 2012 AT 9:21 PM
I think most of us would really like to know the fix for this. I know I do.
May, 27, 2012 AT 2:05 PM
Ihbigred, rivermikerat, KHLow2008 - I have still not solved the flaring issue on my 96 ex. I was hoping that ihbigred was going to have an answer. After re-reading through this thread, I was wondering if it was possible to set up a band-aid fix using the potentiometer that was mentioned in ihbigred's earlier posr where the flare issue was eliminated when the coolant sensor was pushed down to 150 ohms. My questions are these: 1 - what would have to be done to duplicate the results in ihbigred's January 27, 2012 posting? 2 - If this was used as a way to resolve the flare issue, would this cause any other problems to be concerned about? I would appreciate any expert opinions. It seems that if I used a potentiometer and changed the resistance of the ECT ( as ihbigred did) after the car warmed up, I could eliminate the flare issue. Again, any expert opins are appreciated!