Was wondering if there is a pretty professional way of testing all of the connections and terminals on a pcm with a voltmeter, this one I have seems to have a noticeable ringing noise from within. This pcm may have went into limp mode because it doesn, t seem to want to start my car. Thanks- fellow D.I. Yer.
Ringing is common. That is a "switch-mode" power supply regulator similar to those used in vcrs. Chrysler had very little computer trouble in the early '90s. What have you checked so far? Do you have spark? Do you hear the fuel pump hum for one second when you turn on the ignition switch? Have you checked the Engine Computer for diagnostic fault codes? Is the Check Engine light staying on?
You can back-probe the connector pins for the Engine Computer and compare the voltages to what you'd expect from the service manual listings, but that is going to waste a lot of time and not be very informative because every circuit or system uses only a few wires. What you're wanting to do is a very common method of troubleshooting tvs and vcrs, but with their integrated circuits a problem on one pin can affect so many things it's hard to narrow down without testing everything.
In your case the best place to start is with the symptoms. If you do not have spark, measure the voltage on the dark green / orange wire to the ignition coil or coil pack, any injector, or either small wire on the back of the alternator. You should find full battery voltage for one second after the ignition switch is turned to "run". What is important is that voltage must come back during engine cranking.
June, 12, 2011 AT 1:23 AM
After a brief cranking, i, ll turn key back to run position to finally hear fuel pump energizing, why not when I first hit the run position. Also, i've left key on run once and turned crankshaft with ratchet after a brief turning the system would energize, but it seems something will shut it off because it still will not start. Timing marks have been realigned, relays tested, voltage at components o.K whenever pcm does decide to energize.
June, 12, 2011 AT 7:38 AM
Sometimes I can't hear the pump run initially because of the noisy chime inside the car, and sometimes it stops too soon to hear.
I never tried to turn the engine by hand but what you found suggests the system is working properly. Let me start you off with a copy / paste version of a reply I use very often: When you turn on the ignition switch, the engine computer turns on the Automatic Shutdown (ASD) relay for one second, then it turns back off until pulses arrive from the crankshaft and camshaft position sensors. These pulses only occur when the engine is rotating, (cranking or running). It looks to novices like the computer isn't turning on the ASD relay if you're troubleshooting the system while just leaving the ignition switch turned on, but that's what's supposed to happen. That one second that the relay turns on is enough to run the fuel pump to insure fuel pressure is up and ready to start.
When sensor pulses arrive during cranking, the engine computer turns on the ASD relay constantly. Voltage from the relay feeds 12 volts to the ignition coil(s), fuel injector(s), alternator field winding, oxygen sensor heaters, and the fuel pump or fuel pump relay. Ever hear of Ford's silly inertia switch? It will kill the engine if you hit a big enough pothole. Chrysler accomplishes the same thing much more effectively with the ASD relay.
If you are in a crash that ruptures the fuel line with roughly 50 psi, the in-tank electric pump will pour raw fuel on the ground creating a severe fire hazard. With a ruptured line, you won't have fuel pressure. Without pressure, the injectors won't spray fuel and the engine will die. When there is no rotation, there's no crankshaft sensor pulses so the engine computer turns off the ASD relay and removes the voltage supply to the fuel pump.
To troubleshoot this system, you have to bypass the ASD relay with a paper clip or you have to work on it while cranking the engine, (not very practical).
To add to the story, the air gap for the crankshaft position sensor is critical. New sensors come with a thick paper spacer stuck to the end to set that gap. It slides off as soon as the engine is started and is done doing it's thing. If you remove and reinstall that sensor without the spacer, such as when replacing the transmission, it will likely hit the flex plate and be broken. That will result in a no-start condition.
Many aftermarket replacement sensors have a thin plastic rib molded on the end of the sensor to set the gap. It will partially wear away when in operation. To remove and reinstall those, you are supposed to cut the remaining rib off and use a paper spacer. You can get the paper spacers at the dealer's parts department.
Okay, I'm back. The place to start the diagnosis is by checking for diagnostic fault codes. Newer cars will display them in the odometer readout but I think on yours you still have to count the flashes of the Check Engine light. Turn the ignition switch from "off" to "run" three times within five seconds, wait for the Check Engine light to turn off, then count the series of flashes. It might start with one flash, a short pause, two flashes, then a longer pause before the next two-digit code starts. That's code 12 which can be disregarded. The last code will be 55 which just means "end of message". It's the codes in between that can be helpful.
Since you hear the pump turn on when you were turning the engine, that suggests the crankshaft position sensor and the camshaft position sensor are okay. If that's correct, there are two common things to look for. If there is a code related to "cam and crank sync", the timing belt may have jumped a couple of teeth. At one tooth off, the Check Engine light will turn on and that code will be set. At two teeth off, the Engine Computer will shut the engine down by turning off the injectors and coils through the ASD relay. At three teeth off, open valves will hit the pistons as they coast to a stop. The goal of shutting the engine down is to prevent that valve damage.
If you find the timing belt is correct but you still have that same code, suspect the dowel pin between the camshaft and sprocket has sheared off and the sprocket has turned a little. That will also make the valve timing late just as if the belt had jumped. One common clue is you may have spark from one of the two coils and the ASD relay will be clicking on and off repeatedly as you crank the engine.
Rather than listening for the fuel pump, and since we know it works, it's easier to use a test light or digital voltmeter to measure the voltage on the dark green / orange wire to the coil pack, any injector, or either small wire on the back of the alternator. There will be full battery voltage there for that first one second and during cranking. If you do see a solid 12 volts during cranking, the problem is in the fuel supply circuit, injector circuit, or the coil circuit. Those are not too common. If the voltage does not reappear during cranking, suspect the cam or crank sensors. If the voltage flickers on and off, suspect the timing belt or that dowel pin.
June, 12, 2011 AT 9:35 PM
During cranking there is no voltage to fuel pump or coil pack. Sometimes it doesn, t even receive voltage when placed in the run position. But after cranking for approx 6 secs. I will replace the switch back into the run position just to here my fuel pump energizing for a sec. Just backwards of how it should be. What are the problems with removing the crankshaft sensor? The cam shaft sensor? Hate to break one.
June, 12, 2011 AT 10:26 PM
The cam sensor is just bolted to the driver's side of the head. If it has never been replaced, the new one will come with a different connector that must be spliced in.
I never did a crank sensor on a Neon but if it's like the other engines, there is a thick paper spacer that sticks to the end to set the air gap. It will slide off when you crank the engine. If you have an aftermarket crank sensor, many of them have a thin plastic rib molded onto the end to set the gap. That rib wears partially away when the engine is running. To remove and reinstall one of those, you're supposed to cut the remaining rib off and use a paper spacer from the dealer.
July, 12, 2011 AT 10:25 PM
#1 how do you bypass the asd relay with a paperclip to see if car will fire up. #2 what are ways to troubleshoot the pcm, to make sure it is not faulty. #3 if all dkg/o wires are only receiving 2 volts at cranking and the battery voltage is fine what would be the problem.
July, 12, 2011 AT 11:23 PM
Bypassing the ASD relay is only done while looking for a wiring problem in those circuits. If the Engine Computer isn't turning that relay on, the engine isn't going to run anyhow because a sensor signal is missing to tell the computer to turn it on. That missing signal tells the computer when to fire an injector or coil. To bypass it for testing, jump terminals 30 to 87 in the drawing on the left or the two shown with arrows on the right.
Do you really mean 2 volts at cranking or was that a typo and you meant 12 volts? If it changes from 0 volts to 12 volts during cranking, everything is working up to that point. The problem would be with the coil, fuel pump, or injector wiring. If it switches to only 2 volts, that points to a burned relay contact or some other break in the circuit. That wouldn't be related to the PCM. That's where using the paper clip could be helpful. Bypass the relay, then measure the voltage on the dark green / orange wires again. If the voltage is still low, measure right on the paper clip. If you have full battery voltage there, there's a break in the wire feeding the coil and injectors. If the voltage is low too at the paper clip, the problem has to be inside the fuse box. Take it apart and look for a loose wire or a loose / corroded rivet in one of the brass strips.
June, 24, 2015 AT 1:19 PM
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