04 Vue wont Move after coming to a complete stop when warmed up, if you push it to 10mph it will drive then

Tiny
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  • 2004 SATURN VUE
  • 2.2L
  • 4 CYL
  • FWD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 132,353 MILES
I have an 04 vue, trans fluid was replaced with vavlevoline cvt compatible with the vue, it will drive fine from a complete stop when cold, after warming up it will not launch or
take off from a complete stop, but if u push the car up to 10mph and feather the gas it will drive fine with no slipping, noise or any indication of a trans problem, but one u make a complete stop it just revs and wont move, if u dont stop completely it will drive fine at any speed, any ideas.
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Wednesday, March 12th, 2014 AT 10:09 AM

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Tiny
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You should never push them what codes do you have?
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Wednesday, March 12th, 2014 AT 2:11 PM
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Only one code a p1599 engine stall near stall detect. It stalled a few times when it was stuck on ice,
if u stop when it is warmed up it wont launch, but if u stop at the top of a hill and feather the cas as it starts to coast down the hill after it gets to 8-10mph it will drive fine, no shudder, noise or slipping. Once u reach 60mph it rides smoothe, when u push the accelerater down to pass it will pass and show no sing of a trans problem, and if you don't come to a complete stop (don't go any slower then 8mph) it will continue to drive with no sing of problems.
Thanks for your feed back any helps.
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Thursday, March 13th, 2014 AT 4:42 AM
Tiny
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Sounds like a bad side cover I have replaced tons of them on those also the pump has to be tested to make sure thats good.
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Thursday, March 13th, 2014 AT 6:29 AM
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Ok thats what I was afraid of, is it possible that the trans is low on cvt fluid. Should I just replace the cover assembly?
Is there any other things that could cause these symptoms, like the tranny cooler or the pressure solenoid.
Thank you for you advice and feed back.
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Thursday, March 13th, 2014 AT 7:26 AM
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I have also replaced both input/output shaft sensors, when I bought the car the previous owner put regular automatic trans fluid in the trans.
Would doing a complete trans flush help, is it possible that there is still regular automatic trans fluid in the converter that is being circulated thruoght the trans causing inproper fluid velocity and in turn not alowing the trans to reach proper hydraulic pressure (or clamping force) to launch the car.
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Thursday, March 13th, 2014 AT 7:38 AM
Tiny
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If they put regular transmission fluid in the transmission then I would say it damaged the transmission. Also without the fluid additive plus the correct fluid bad news. Those transmissions are bad news to begin with I have replaced so many side covers I have lost count. The main thing is running a pressure test to see if the pressure is correct and being controled properly. Before making any repairs so the new parts dont get damaged.
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Thursday, March 13th, 2014 AT 8:13 PM
Tiny
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Thank you. Can this type of trans be flushed? I do believe its the VT25E
Is there a special scan tool (the Tec 2 scan tool that GM uses) and special pressure gage needed?
I have an update, after replacing the fluid and filling the trans it seems to be getting better, I have added approximately 9 quarts total to it so far over the past few days, 6-7 after the drain and refil, and about 2, 1/2 quarts (about 1/2quart each day after its warmed up) and it is now launching when its warmed up, I have not been driving it far or putting it under hard driving conditions like it would be subjected too in ever day driving, to try and prevent any more damage.
I would like to know if a flush is possible and if I should have a dealer flush, refil, and put the right additive in, then if I have problems after a bit then test the trans pump and other functions to determine if I should replace parts, rebuild, or junk the car.
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Friday, March 14th, 2014 AT 4:51 AM
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Would you know the part number for the case cover, or the best way to obtain parts for this transmission. Thanks
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Friday, March 14th, 2014 AT 4:53 PM
Tiny
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A drain and refill on those is about 4 to 4.5 quarts so I dont know why your putting so Much fluid in the transmission. When we used to flush them by running them then draining them and refilling them we only used 9 quarts and two tubes of additives and that was two refills. Also you have to monitor transmission temp so you know how much to add after you add fluid till it comes out of the center of the transmission drain plug. Do you know the correct way to change the fluid and set the correct level?Doesn't sound like you do also a flush wont fix your problem that was only for noise on intail take off and noise while going 5-10 mph. Also you need the tech2 Scan tool or a scan tool that can command the line pressure actuator. Plus a pressure gauge that has sideways adapter and the gauge that goes up to 2000 psi.I will look and see if I can find a side cover for sale.
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Friday, March 14th, 2014 AT 6:36 PM
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The auto dealer ran my vin to determine how much fluid I would need, it was very costly, also I followed the fill procedure by adding 4to5 quarts to start with, ran the car and keept adding until the fluid came out the secoundary plug (it made noise like it was low on fluid untill I got all 6 quarts in) I also used the same tool they have at Advace auto to do a snap shot of the engine temp, this tool dosent allow me to control moduels, or read the temp of the trans, just the coolant temp and IAC temp. After this procedure was done it used about 7 quarts untill the fluid ran out the secoundary plug, when I added another 1, 3/4 quarts it started driving fine, before it acted like it was just low on fluid.
I did also flush the cooler lines out by putting rubber houses on one cooler line and the other into a container of fresh fluid and putting compressed air into the container to push fluid into the tube and throught the cooler. Then just air.
The dealer said the use water to flush them and a special adapter they don't have.
I do want to reflush, refill and add the additive to insure it has the proper fluid and level. I would like to find more ligature or info on the refill procedure, once I flush it again I will have the dealer do a pressure check to ensure the trans has proper pressure output Thank you for all your help and detail.
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Saturday, March 15th, 2014 AT 4:40 AM
Tiny
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You add about 4qts after draining it then start it remove the center plug and add fluid till it starts coming out the center then when it stops coming out put the center plug back in. Then depending on the temp of the transmission not coolant the you add a certain amount of transmission fluid depending on the transmission temp. I have flushed and changed the fluid on tons of them and never had one take that much fluid. Also the dealer told you to use water to flushthe transmission cooler lines?What a stupid thing to tell you when I replaced the side covers we also replaced the transmission cooler lines and flushed the coolers in the radiator.
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Sunday, March 16th, 2014 AT 12:15 AM
Tiny
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Thank you for responding to my questions, as I said before the dealer said it holds 7.2 quarts, I did put in about 5-6 quarts before the fluid ran out the center of the plug, so in all total over a few days about 8 -9 quarts.
Yesterday I pulled the drain plug and only got about 6 quarts of fluid that drained out, I didnt see any leaks any where and the draind fluid still looked some what contaminated with regular trans fluid, so I am going to flush the cooler and put fresh fluid in it and add the additive, if it still has problems I will have a differnt dealer (not the one that told me to use water) test the pump pressure. Also me scan tool dosent show the trans temp just the coolant and the Intake Air Controls air temp, if the engines coolant is at 178F the intake reads about 76-84F.
Also I did follow the fill procedure you described each time, that is why I was stumped when it was taking over 6 quarts, but as I said the first time I added fluid I only started with 4 quarts and started the car and the trans made noise untill I added 2 more quarts, then about another half a quart untill the fluid ran out the center hole on the drain plug.
I appreciate all your time and feedback you are speding on this subject.
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Sunday, March 16th, 2014 AT 8:56 AM
Tiny
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You still added too much even after the fluid stops coming out the center you out the center plug back in. Then depending on transmission temp is how much you add usually only about 3/4 of a quart so you are just over filling it and the noise just happens to stop. If your not checking the transmission temp and adding the correct amount of fluid according to the chart your not setting the level correctly. I done so much work on those transmissions because they had so much issues.I know them well have dealt with broken belts bad side covers bad pumps bad valve bodys etc.
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Sunday, March 16th, 2014 AT 9:14 AM
Tiny
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Is there a part number on the side cover, the trans I have is the vt25e (m75).
Is the proper part number 24227081?
I am going to have the pump pressure tested then I will go from there, for now the car will move after warmed up but it is not launching at the proper rpm, once moving it drives fine, whent it is cold it functions properly from a complete stop and all the way up to 80 plus mph but as I said it still doesn't launch properly when at normal operating temp.
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Tuesday, March 18th, 2014 AT 7:51 PM

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