No crank, no start?

It is a new starter. When I jumped 30 and 87 the starter activated and electric started the engine (meaning no fuel in the engine). You had me check the ground and I didn't find any continuity. So, I put a new wire on and the relay is clicking. Do you want me to check the trigger wire on the starter?

I'm charging my battery just in case it may be an issue. I checked the voltage and it was at 12.11 volts.

Ron

Hi Joe,

I'm glad that you had me look at the trigger wire. When I checked for continuity at Pin 87 there wasn't any. When I checked for continuity to ground it was positive. There wasn't any power to the trigger wire when my wife turned the key.

When I was making the new ground wire there were two wires in the ground, one had continuity to ground, and the other didn't. Do you know what the other wire was and could that be a problem?

Ron

Hi Joe,

Replacing the wire solved the ground issue.

Joe, I already know that there is power to pin 30 constantly and when the key is turned there is power to pin 87. But when I checked continuity of pin 87 there wasn't the trigger wire. But checking pin 85 the trigger wire had continuity to the trigger wire. So, the trigger wire is only connected to the ground. So, there is no power to the trigger wire.

What would cause this issue?

Ron

Hi Joe,

I jumped 30 and 87 and had my wife turn the key. There is no power to the trigger wire when we did that. But when I go to the fuse box there is constant power to pin 30 and when the key is turned 87 has power.

Before I started on the ground wire, the trigger wire had power. Now I only have a ground wire to the trigger wire. Please advise.

Ron

Hi Joe,

This is the first time I have had any electrical problems in any of the cars I have worked on. I realized that I was reading the pins on the relay wrong. The problem is still with the ground on pin 86. I have taken the big wire looms off and I have been tracing the two wires in the ground back the the fuse box. I found the ground back to the other items, and not the starter relay as it went into a connecter with many lines coming out the other end. I still can't get any continuity to pin 86 on the wire. I looked under the fuse box to the wires going into pin 86 and it looks like there are two wires going into pin 86 and they are orange or pink. See photo. I found a broken wire and I fixed it. I don't know what it went to. Should there be two wires under pin 86?

Ron

Hi Joe,

I found the ground wire and it was the broken wire I fixed. I confirmed that I had continuity from the fuse box to the ground. I put the relay in and had my wife turn the key and confirmed that I had power to the trigger wire. I put it all together and this morning I tried to start it. It wouldn't start and after I turned the key off the started continue to try and start the car without any gas to it. I tried to by pulling the 40 amp fuse out and that blew the 40 am fuse. I checked for any DTCs and I had a P0122. I had replaced the connector to the throttle sensor so I took a look and it had a break in on of the wires. I fixed it and tried to start the truck and Everytime I do it I blow the 40 amp fuse. The last time I started it when I turned off the key the starter continues to have power to it and will until the 40 Amp fuse blows.

I checked for DTCs and I had none after I fixed the wire.

Please help if you can.

Ron

Hi Joe,

Last night after I emailed you, I wanted to see if I had power to the trigger wire for the starter. I took the trigger wire off and had my wife turn the key and confirmed that I have power to it. I put it back together and this morning I went out and checked all the fuses in the fuse box in the engine bay. There were two fuses without power; a 30 Amp fuse and a 10 amp fuse corresponding to RR Defog and the HTD Mir.

I decided to try and start the car and it seemed like there wasn't any gas getting to the car. I could hear the starter engage and turn off when I turned the key on and off. I checked the 40 Amp fuse and this time it wasn't blown. I tried to start it again but this time I have no power in the cab and no light on the dash. I can't roll down the windows, no interior lights or exterior lights work and neither does the radio. I checked the fuse box and it still has power. Do you think this sounds like I need a new ignition switch?

That's for all your help Joe. I got the truck running and all is good.

You helped me so much with this, Thank you.

Hi Joe,

I really don't know. As I said, last night I removed the trigger wire for the starter to confirm it had power. This morning I checked all the fuses in the engine fuse box. That is when I tried to start the car. It didn't work. I came out and wanted to see if the 40 Amp fuse. When I was removing it, it went between the fuse box and the battery. I took the battery out to see if could find it. I ended up taking the headlight out to retrieve it. I saw it wasn't so I put it back in to the fuse box and replaced the battery in the truck. A few hours later I went out to put the bar over the battery. When I did that I touched the wire to the negative post and the headlight came on. And I heard the beeping sound of the key being in the on position. I tightened the screw into the battery and went into the cab and it started right up. The check engine light came on and then disappeared. After I turned the truck off, I checked for any DTCs. There were two, both for misfires. I deleted them and they didn't come back. So my thoughts is maybe I didn't have the negative screw tightened enough before.