Engine will not start

Tiny
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  • 2009 VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT
  • 2.0L
  • 4 CYL
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 140,000 MILES
I bought this car understanding that the out put speed sensor needed to be replaced. Vehicle had minimal shifting issues. I drove it one night to the store with absolutely no issues, but when I went to start it the next morning it wouldn’t turn over. It made a strange sound but not one that indicated the starter or ignition would be the problem, but never turned over. I took it to the only mechanic in our area who works on VW, but he only removed a couple of the bolts holding the cover on as he wanted $1,200.00 just to pull the engine to get a full look, and said the timing chain probably jumped. He stated that the engine probably had to be replaced. If the timing chain did in fact jump teeth upon start up, but not while driving, what are the chances it did other internal engine damage?
Monday, February 10th, 2020 AT 6:56 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

The 2.0L isn't an interference engine, so chances are nothing additional was damaged internally.

Can you describe how it sounded when cranking and it wouldn't start? Also, if you still have the vehicle, can you record what it sounds like when cranking? I can usually tell if it is a timing issue by listening.

Let me know.

Joe
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Monday, February 10th, 2020 AT 7:48 PM
Tiny
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I do still have the car, but it’s been sitting since August so we’ll have to jump it. I can certainly record it tomorrow to give you an idea of the sound. From what I remember it was a kind of grinding sound that only lasted a few seconds at most and it made that sound twice and then not again after that. If the timing chain is the issue, does the engine have to be pulled to repair/replace it?
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Monday, February 10th, 2020 AT 8:48 PM
Tiny
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HI,

If it is related to the timing chain, the engine doesn't need to come out. It is tight, but can be done in vehicle.

The vehicle has two chains. One is for the cams and the other is lower.

Here are the directions for both. You can take a look through them and see what is involved.

I will start with the camshafts chain. The attached pics correlate with the directions.

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2009 Volkswagen Passat Sedan (3C2) L4-2.0L Turbo (CCTA)
Camshaft Timing Chain, Removing and Installing
Vehicle Engine, Cooling and Exhaust Engine Timing Components Timing Chain Service and Repair Removal and Replacement Camshaft Timing Chain, Removing and Installing
CAMSHAFT TIMING CHAIN, REMOVING AND INSTALLING
Camshaft Timing Chain, Removing and Installing

pic 1

Special tools, testers and auxiliary items required

Drift (T10060 A)

Counter-holder tool (T10355)

Assembly Tool 10352 (T10352)

Securing pin (T40011)

Torque Wrench (V.A.G 1331)

Removing

- Remove timing chain upper cover => [ Upper Timing Chain Cover, Removing and Installing ] See: Timing Cover > Removal and Replacement > Upper Timing Chain Cover, Removing and Installing.

CAUTION!
The control valve has a left thread.

- Remove the control valve using Assembly Tool 10352 (T10352) in the - direction of arrow -.

Pic 2

- Remove the bolts - arrows - and remove the bearing bracket.

Pic 3

- Rotate the vibration damper using the Counter Hold Tool (T10355) into the "OT" position - arrow -.

Pic 4

The notch on the vibration damper must line up with the arrow marking on the timing chain lower cover.

The markings - 1 - on the camshafts must point upward.

- Remove the lower timing chain cover => [ Chain Drive ] See: Engine > Removal and Replacement > Chain Drive.

- Press the oil pump chain tensioner in the - direction of the arrow - and secure it with a locking pin (T40011).

Pic 5

- Remove the oil pump chain tensioner - 1 -.

- Remove the oil pump chain tensioner.

- Using a screwdriver, lift the chain tensioner locking wedge in the - direction of arrow 1 -, press the timing chain tensioning rail in the - direction of arrow 2 - and secure it with Locking Pin (T40011).

Pic 6

- Remove the timing chain tensioning rail - 2 -.

Pic 7

The intake camshaft switches in the engine direction of rotation

- Remove the timing chain.

Installing

Tightening specifications => [ Camshaft Timing Chain, Assembly Overview ] See: Timing Chain > Removal and Replacement > Camshaft Timing Chain, Assembly Overview.

The following must be performed in one sequence; 2 technicians are necessary.

The painted links of the timing chain must be positioned on the markings on the chain sprockets.

Hold the wrench until the tensioning rail is installed.

- Mount the timing chain on the exhaust camshaft.

Pic 8

- Mount the timing chain on the crankshaft.

- Turn the intake camshaft using the wrench in the - direction of the arrow - and mount the timing chain.

- Install the timing chain tensioning rail and tighten the bolt - 2 -.

Pic 9

- Mount the bearing bracket and hand tighten the bolts - arrows -.

Pic 10

- Remove the locking pin (T40011).

- Tighten the bearing bracket bolts - arrows -=> [ Camshaft Timing Chain, Assembly Overview ] See: Timing Chain > Removal and Replacement > Camshaft Timing Chain, Assembly Overview.

The rest of the assembly is basically a reverse of the disassembling sequence.

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Here are directions for the lower (balance shaft) chain.

2009 Volkswagen Passat Sedan (3C2) L4-2.0L Turbo (CCTA)
Balance Shaft Timing Chain, Removing and Installing
Vehicle Engine, Cooling and Exhaust Engine Cylinder Block Assembly Balance Shaft Chain Service and Repair Removal and Replacement Balance Shaft Timing Chain, Removing and Installing
BALANCE SHAFT TIMING CHAIN, REMOVING AND INSTALLING
Balance Shaft Timing Chain, Removing and Installing

Removing

- Remove timing chain upper cover => [ Upper Timing Chain Cover, Removing and Installing ] See: Timing Cover > Removal and Replacement > Upper Timing Chain Cover, Removing and Installing.

- Remove the lower timing chain cover => [ Chain Drive ] See: Engine > Removal and Replacement > Chain Drive.

- Remove the camshaft timing chain => [ Camshaft Timing Chain, Removing and Installing ] See: Timing Chain > Removal and Replacement > Camshaft Timing Chain, Removing and Installing.

- Remove the guide rail for the camshaft timing chain - 1 -.

Pic 11

- Remove chain tensioner for camshaft timing chain - 3 -.

- Remove the balance shaft chain tensioner - 1 -.

Pic 12

- Remove the tensioning rail - 2 -.

- Remove the guide rail - 3 -.

- Remove the guide rail - 4 -.

- Remove the timing chain.

Installing

Tightening specifications => [ Balance Shaft Timing Chain, Assembly Overview ] See: Balance Shaft Chain > Removal and Replacement > Balance Shaft Timing Chain, Assembly Overview.

- Turn the intermediate shaft sprocket/balance shaft to the marking - arrow -.

Pic 13

Due to the ratio, the marking align only every 7th turn.

- Mount the timing chain; the painted links of the timing chain must be positioned on the markings on the chain sprockets.

Pic 14

- Install the timing chain tensioning rail and tighten the bolt - 2 -.

Pic 15

- Install the timing chain guide rail and tighten the bolts - 4 -.

- Install the timing chain guide rail and tighten the bolts - 3 -.

- Insert the timing chain tensioner - 1 - with locking compound.

- Check this adjustment one more time.

Pic 16

- Check the markings on the intermediate shaft sprocket/balance shaft - arrow -

pic 17

The marking on the intermediate shaft sprocket/balance shaft is shown with the chain removed.

The rest of the assembly is basically a reverse of the disassembling sequence.

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Let me know your thoughts. If you have other questions, feel free to ask.

Take care,
Joe
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Tuesday, February 11th, 2020 AT 6:39 PM

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