ECM temperature spike

Tiny
TWINSPAR
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  • 1988 PONTIAC SUNBIRD
  • 2.0L
  • 4 CYL
  • TURBO
  • 2WD
  • MANUAL
  • 135,000 MILES
The car listed above is a GT, with a 5-speed manual. On startup, coolant temperature reading on OBD1 scan tool starts near ambient temperature, rises normally until it reaches 122 or 123 degrees F, then immediately spikes to 258 degrees. The sensor was tested and resistance readings are nearly identical to factory service manual chart at various temperatures - steady temperature increase mirrored by steadily declining resistance. Once the temperature spikes, the cooling fan comes on (ECM response to high reading) and the temperature continues to rise (according to the scan tool) at a normal rate, topping out at 304 degrees F after about 20 minutes of run time. Since the ECM does not display readings between 123 and 258, is this indicative of a failing ECM?
Wednesday, June 2nd, 2021 AT 10:39 AM

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Tiny
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I think you hit it on the head. If the sensor is ok then that ECM most likely has a circuit board issue that fails when it reaches this temperature. Most likely there is a solder issue that is causing the circuit to open or have high resistance at this temperature.

This is a very simple circuit that basically the ECM sends voltage through the sensor and as the temperature increases, it changes the resistance in the circuit and the ECM watches this voltage change which it interprets to a temperature.

I attached the wiring diagram below but based on this info, I would replace the ECM if I were you. I attached the process for the manual as well.

Please let us know if you have other questions. Thanks
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Wednesday, June 2nd, 2021 AT 6:15 PM
Tiny
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Hi KASEKENNY1. Thanks so much for your advice. Before I bite the bullet for a replacement ECM, I decided to do some more diagnostic work today. I used a potentiometer in place of the CTS, so I could "manually" send resistance readings to the ECM. If I was real careful (the potentiometer is very sensitive), I could actually dial in resistance readings that translated to temperatures the ECM wasn't normally reading. I found that a resistance that translates to about 229 degrees turned on the cooling fan, and if I dialed it back to 220 degrees, the fan turned off. I also checked signal voltage to the CTS and got a reading of 4.85v, which seems to me to be about where it should be. My next step is to carefully inspect connections/condition of the ECM itself for any obvious compromises. I'll keep you posted.
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Thursday, June 3rd, 2021 AT 2:32 PM
Tiny
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Wow. That is wonderful information. Great thinking to use a potentiometer.

Based on this, I am sure you will figure it out. Please keep us posted on what you find. Thanks
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Thursday, June 3rd, 2021 AT 7:39 PM
Tiny
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I wanted to follow-up on this topic. I removed the ECM, opened the case, removed the MEMCAL chip, and the ECM circuit board. I inspected the chip, the circuit board and connectors and found no obvious areas of concern, so I reassembled and reinstalled. I then used my potentiometer (KOEO) to "walk" up and down the temperature scale several times up to about 260 degrees. Next I removed the potentiometer, reconnected the CTS, started the car, and amazingly, it now behaves normally (as far as controlling the cooling fan). It starts near ambient, heats up (steadily) at a normal rate until it gets to 229 degrees. The cooling fan then comes on, and runs until it brings the temperature down to 218 degrees. I let it cycle several times and tested again today from a cold start and all seems good. I guess I either had a poor ECM connection or I just had to reteach the ECM how to progress steadily through temperature readings. Many thanks again for your helpful insight.
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Monday, June 7th, 2021 AT 11:56 AM
Tiny
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That is great info! Thanks again for making this a great post. I am sure this info will help others that read it in the future.

Please come back to 2CarPros. Thanks
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Monday, June 7th, 2021 AT 8:11 PM

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