Air conditioner not working

Tiny
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I have replaced my compressor, orifice tube, and accumulator but my air still blows out hot. There is no power to the air compressor. I know because I connected it straight to the battery and the a/c blew ice cold air. There is no such thing as the relay in this car for what I can tell and from what I am told from Dodge service department when I called them. Does anyone know what the problem could be and how I can locate and repair it?

I don't have a DVOM. The only indicator I have that it is electrical is because I connected it to the battery. Yes to all additional questions.


Thank you.
Friday, July 12th, 2013 AT 8:37 AM

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Tiny
KEN L
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Hello,

Those car had a problem with the TIPM which is where the air conditioner relay is inside of. This is why the dealer does not list one. Here is a wiring diagram so you can do some testing to confirm the failure and get it fixed.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

Please run some tests and get back to us so we can continue helping you. Check out the diagrams (Below). Please let us know what happens.
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Monday, April 24th, 2017 AT 11:07 AM
Tiny
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Hello Ken, do you have the complete circuit of the A/C system? I have a same problem.

Thank you a lot. I beginner here.
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 7:29 AM
Tiny
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Yep, they are in the first post above. Let me know if you need more.
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:07 AM
Tiny
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This season when I turned my A/C on for the first time I realized the air wasn't getting cold. I put a set of gauges on it and it was barely low so I topped it off with no change. Like many of the Avengers around this year I have a variable displacement compressor and I can tell from the gauges as the low side drops and high side rises that it is working, although not as strong as it should be. I noticed that the fan wasn't spinning and while checking around I unplugged the A/C pressure switch which looked good and when I plugged it back in the fans started up but only spinning at a slower rate than they should be. The blend doors function correctly through all the settings and heater gets good and hot when I switch over to it through all appropriate vents. A mechanic friend of mine hooked up a high quality code reader which showed no faults or problems. It confirms that the fan and compressor are both working and receiving signal. It also shows accurate readings on the ambient and evaporator temp sensors. The voltage return through the pressure switch should be about 5v and the code reader shows it's just getting back 1.25v so I swapped out the pressure switch with a new one and it's still happening. I've confirmed that both the old and new pressure switches are good. It seems like the compressor and fans are being moderated down or are not receiving the proper signal to spin up. I'm out of resources and need a mechanic who has seen something like this before please.
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:07 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Good afternoon,

What are the high and low side readings when the A/C is on?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-air-conditioner-not-working-or-is-weak

You cannot tell Freon levels from gauge readings. The only way is to remove the Freon and see how much was removed. Then vacuum the system and add the exact amount of Freon.

Roy
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:07 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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When I mash the accelerator the pressure equalize at about 80-90 psi. After a minute or two of idle the low side drops to around 45psi and gets cold to the touch. The high side climbs to 125psi and gets extremely hot of course. The equalization makes me wonder if the computer is trying to moderate the increase in belt speed by reducing voltage to the compressor which makes the swash plate go to 0 degrees, or basically no compression until I let off the gas pedal. But even when the compression drops the low side I'm still just getting ambient air temperature out of the vents essentially.
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:07 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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The cold side is too high. I should be 25-30 pounds rock solid.

The high side should be 2 times ambient temperature plus 15%.

You have a bad expansion valve to start. I would change that and the dryer then vacuum the system and charge it.

Roy
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:07 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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I completely agree about where the pressures should be. However I can't help but think that the fans spinning slowly and only coming on when I unplug and plug the trinary switch is connected to the same root problem. If the fans are being moderated down to a slower speed then it would possibly make sense that the compressor swash plate is being moderated to less that it's full 40 degrees and not delivering full compression. Which could explain the pressures I'm seeing. If the exp valve is smoked and I fix it there is still an electrical issue going on with getting the fans to spin at full speed like they should be. If I jump the pins on the plug going to the trinary switch the fans spin like a hurricane so I know they have it in them.

And let me say thank you very much for helping me work this issue.
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:07 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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I was looking at the cooling fan chart and the fans are commanded on when the high side pressure reaches 135 pounds. Below that, the fans will not come on for the AC.

The expansion valve is one of the issues and the dryer needs to be changed as well.

Roy
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:08 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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That makes sense! Thank you very much. I'll give it a shot.
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:08 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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You are welcome.

Always glad to help.

Roy
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:08 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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One last question. I'm finding online that my model does not use an expansion valve but does have an orifice tube. Are you able to confirm this?
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:08 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Yes, that is correct. It has the same function and is often called an expansion valve and also in Chrysler's, it could be called a TXV valve as well.

Many names, same function.

Roy
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:08 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Update: Problem fixed. Orifice tube good but compressor solenoid control valve in the underside of the variable displacement compressor was out. On research these control valves have a high fail rate even though the actual compressor does not. Valve was only allowing the compressor to run at idle without having full angle of the swash plate and full compression. This accounts for the low and high side moving in the gauges but not as much as they should have been.

Hope this helps the next guy.
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:08 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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What were the readings when it was fixed on the pressures?

Roy
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:08 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Low side 30.
High side about 180.
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:08 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Nice, thanks for the update.

Have a safe holiday.

Roy
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:08 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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I have the vehicle listed above 2.0L engine 420a, it came from factory with the Mitsubishi engine that was also present in the 1995-1999 eclipse GS 2.0L.
My A/C compressor clutch from when start the car only work/is engaged and cooling for about 1 minute after that it shuts off and never engages again unless you stop the car, let it sit for about 2 hours and start it again.
I did the bypass at low pressure send it with the paper clip and the A/C compressor clutch engages but for only about 1 minute.
I replaced pretty much every part in the A/C system I know and was able to search about, I put only new OEM parts, that includes:

A/C Denso brand new compressor.
Low pressure sensor switch that sits in top of drier.
Receiver drier.
Expansion valve.
A/C Evaporator unit.
Switch at evaporator/blower motor resistor.
A/C Condenser unit.
A/C module switch.
A/C switch dash/push button (cold).
A/C switch at Ac control panel inside.
Heater fan.
Recharged with Freon, Freon system pressure tested okay with no leaks.
Checked all the fuses at engine fuse box, replaced with other ones.

Do you have an idea of what the problem would be? To me it seems that when the pressure builds up in the system the A/C compressor clutch shuts off and stays off unless I stop the car, let it cool for some hours. While the clutch is engaged and running, the A/C is blowing cold air inside car as it should.
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:08 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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What do the high and low pressures read when you start the engine and switch on the AC? Then what are they after the compressor shuts off. It sounds like a blockage in one of the lines that drops off when the compressor stops. The pressures might show that if the high side keeps climbing.
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Monday, August 3rd, 2020 AT 11:08 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hi,

Check the engine cooling fans see if are they coming on when the A/C is demanded and check the engine coolant temperature sensor reading. The A/C compressor will not stay running if the actual engine temp. sensor is reading high or the fans are not running. I'm attaching repair guide, wiring schematics and fuse locations below. Let us know if this information was helpful or if you need more.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-air-conditioner-not-working-or-is-weak

Thank you
Joe T.
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