Mechanics

ROUGH IDLE DUE TO LOW VACUUM

Chevrolet Other

I have a 1957 Chevy BelAir with a 1960's 327 Chevy engine with 485 miles on it. The car will not idle at less than 1000 RPM in gear.
The car has a 350 TurboGlide with a Corvette pressure plate, 1970's Chevy power steering, and non-power front disk brakes.
The engine has never run right since I have had the car. It has a mild cam that has solid lifters (the valves are set at.012 for the intakes and.018 for the exhaust). The distributor has a Crane electronic ignition in the old distributor. The engine runs a PCV Valve, but no other Emissions Control. The carburetor is a new 500 CFM Edelbrock.
There are no strange noises or leaks.
The vacuum when the car is in out of gear gear is 11 lbs at max and at idle in gear death-spirals to zero and the engine dies.
We have replaced the plugs and wires. We have also replaced the original Vacuum Advance which took 12 lbs to start to move the distributor plate with a Crane Adjustable Vacuum Advance which is set to move the plate at about 8 lbs. We also found using a flywheel wrench and a piston-stop tool that the TDC mark on the damper was about 8 degrees retarded. We remarked the damper and re-timed the engine to 10 degrees advanced.
We have not been able to locate any vacuum leaks and the vacuum at the manifold shows the same results as that measured at the carburetor port.

Any ideas? My neighbor and myself cannot find the solution.

Thank You,
Jim D
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JimDen
September 17, 2007.



Hello. Be sure that your idle circuit in the carburetor is clear and is operating properly. Be sure that the float level is precise (to the 32nd of an inch). The float level has to be roughly where it should be for the engine to perform well at all. It has to be within a 32nd of an inch of where it should be if you want perfect performance and good mileage. For instance, until recently, when I got my vibration problem in my 1951 Chevrolet, I have been able to regularily get 18 mpg in the city. Now I get 16, which isn't bad, but isn't acceptable to me, but my engine has an imbalance problem, which is sucking energy.
Be sure that your carburetor is jetted properly for the altitude in which you drive. Also be sure that there isn't any dirt in the main jet or in the idle passages. Many times I have had to pull over with a car that ran poorly at speed, and wouldn't idle, all because a tiny flake of who-knows-what got into the main jet. With the car at a stand-still and in park, accelerate the engine and note its performance. If it is shuddering and misfiring, then you need to go one or two steps richer, or possibly more. It helps to have a manual choke, because I can determine this by slowly pulling out the choke until the engine runs smoothly.
For all adjustments and troubleshooting, it is best to plug off the PCV valve until the trouble is located, unless plugging it off does not help. Never run the engine for more than 5 minutes in this condition, however, or else dangerous amounts of crankcase dillutants will build up in the oil.
Finally, regarding timing, be sure to time the engine precisely as General Motors recommends. I know there is a lot of information out there about how you should advance the timing, and how you'll get better power. All I can say is that I've tried all of this, and it only ruined my power. My 90 hp 216.5 has incredible acceleration (for its hp rating) with the stock 5 degrees BTC, and the original vacuum advance curve (full advance is at 18 inches of mercury, and advance starts at about 7 inches). Each engine is, of course, different, so those aren't your requirements. For most engines the vacuum advance doesn't even operate at idle. If you have manifold ported advance, then it will function at idle, but if it is ported at the throttle plate, it will not function at idle, so it actually doesn't even affect idle performance. Be sure that the vacuum diaphram is not leaky, as this will ruin idle, if the vacuum advance functions at idle. When the timing devices are in synchronization, however, you will get solid response both at economical cruising throttle positions, and at all (except possibly wide open) power throttle positions.
If your cam has a duration at all longer than the original cam, this can also diminish vacuum, and make the idle rough/difficult to manage. That is why modern cars sometimes have variable valve timing, which takes advantage of both a wide cam and a regular cam, so the engine has good response and smooth performance. When my brother used to work on muscle cars in the 90s, I always thought that this would be a good idea--use a governor of sorts to operate cams and such on the cams to widen their lift period. Seems that auto manufacturers thought of this, too, though. Aw. I could have made a lot of money on that idea! I'm surprised that it took auto manufacturers 100 years to figure that out.

Tiny
Bigbadpiratetom
Sep 18, 2007.
I can think of a few possible problems, but two jump out at me. Check for vac leaks at intake to cyl head surfaces, with engine running, spray some carb cleaner around these surfaces, and listen for a drastic rpm change. Also, it would be a good idea to get all the cam specs just to make sure of the valve settings, and to make sure its a solid lifter cam. It would also be smart to pull off the front cover and check the cam timing. This would also give you a look at the make and part number of the cam. Cam timing is critical, and affects ignition timing, as well as engine vac. Hope this helps. Mickey-d

Tiny
Mickey-d
Dec 1, 2009.