Battery issue?

Tiny
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  • 1984 DODGE DIPLOMAT
  • 5.2L
  • V8
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 113,000 MILES
Our vehicle listed above ran perfectly with absolutely no problems when we bought it, 13,000 miles ago, except the battery went bad. My husband got a used battery from a family member. They went to jump start it because it wasn't starting on its own with this used battery. As soon as the cables were attached, it blew up in their faces. I mean, battery acid was all over them and the engine. My husband bought a used battery from a salvage yard and replaced it. Again, it ran great for about 2 weeks. As he was pulling up to our mailbox one day, again, the battery exploded. Only this time, it happened while it was running, coming to a stop. At this point my husband bought a brand-new battery from Walmart and put in a new brace for it that held it more securely. And again, ran great for about 2 weeks. Now it won't start at all unless we jump start it with another vehicle. Then as soon as we turn it off, it refuses to start again. My husband has replaced the starter relay fuse, voltage regulator, and headlight switch because the headlights burned out with the last blow up. Because the voltage regulator wasn't working properly at that time. He said it can't be a bad alternator because "if the alternator was bad, it would run the battery completely drained, which is not the case. The battery itself is holding a charge. But for whatever reason it still won't start." Does anyone have any ideas or recommendations as to what's going on? Oh, one more thing, he also took the dash apart and found several wires duck taped, so he fixed those, and still, it won't start. There's no grinding or anything when we try to start it. No clicking, nothing. We're at a total loss.
Thursday, June 29th, 2023 AT 1:23 PM

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Tiny
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The logic is not sound. This sounds like the alternator has failed. It's job is to recharge the battery after cranking the engine, and to supply the entire electrical system while driving. When that doesn't happen, the car runs on the battery until it gets too far run down, usually in less than an hour or two. That is long before it is totally dead.

The place to start is by measuring the battery's voltage, first with the engine off, then again with it running. Tell me what those two voltages are, then we'll figure out where to go next.

Also look at this article. It covers much of what we're going to be doing:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-alternator

If you need help using a digital voltmeter, start with this article:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-voltmeter

They're using one with "auto-ranging". That's an expensive feature you don't have to have. Harbor Freight Tools has a perfectly fine digital voltmeter for around $7.00. I can help you set it up if necessary. You can find similar meters at Walmart or any hardware store.

Let me now when you have those two voltages.
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Thursday, June 29th, 2023 AT 2:53 PM
Tiny
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Hello, my husband had an electrician look at the car last night and came to find out, it's the ignition switch. It was completely corroded and definitely not working. The guy said when you start a car by jumping it, you bypass the whole starter process and that's why it would only start by being jumped. I really appreciate your help with this. Thank you so much! Have a great weekend!
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Saturday, July 1st, 2023 AT 2:32 PM
Tiny
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Something doesn't add up. Exploding batteries and needing a jump from another vehicle don't involve the ignition switch. It sounds like the jumper cables may have been connected backward. That will cause a huge shower of sparks and can ignite the hydrogen gas batteries give off. We talk about that all the time, but I've only heard of that happening once before, many years ago. I'm also concerned that it ran okay for two weeks. That normally would not be the case if there was a problem with the ignition switch. Is it possible the car was the victim of an incompetent previous owner?

I'm still suspicious the charging system is not working correctly. The system on your car is very simple, and easy to diagnose, especially when you have me to help. If you continue to have problems, please get me the two voltages I asked about, and come back to see me. I've had a number of similar models, and still have two 1980 Volares with the same charging system.

Later in your description, it does sound like the failure to crank could be due to the ignition switch. For that, the first step is to look for additional symptoms. Does anything else turn on with that switch, like the dash warning lights, radio or heater fan? If everything else works properly except the starter, check the ignition switch adjustment. It's mounted on top of the steering column with two 5/16" screws. The mounting holes are slotted to allow for adjustment. If that doesn't pan out, the entire starter system can be broken down into four circuits, each with a corresponding test point at the starter relay socket. Those four tests are best done with a test light. I'll describe them if that appears to be the direction we need to head.

If everything seems to be working properly, please give me an update in a couple of weeks.
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Sunday, July 2nd, 2023 AT 6:24 PM
Tiny
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You are correct. That ignition switch did not fix the problem. The electrician left us with the dashboard half apart and the steering column all apart. He's supposed to come back, and he said he would continue looking at the wiring and stuff with some of his electrician tools.
The voltameter read 12.4 before starting. Then my husband started it and shut it off after running for about 10 minutes. Then he took another reading (I know, he doesn't follow instructions very well) and it read 13.34. Which I think is weird. But I don't know, that may be normal. At any rate, it still doesn't make any noise, except the door buzzer buzzes and the starter relay fuse hums he said. It didn't do that before the new ignition switch. I'll ask the electrician guy about the other starter things you mentioned. I'm so glad you responded again because you're right! Things didn't add up. I'll get back with you.
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Sunday, July 2nd, 2023 AT 9:04 PM
Tiny
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Dandy. Warning. I'll be at the Iola Old Car Show swap meet in Iola, WI for the weekend, so you might not hear from me until next Sunday or Monday. Don't panic if I don't reply right away. We won't leave you sitting in a pile of tears.

The 12.4 volts points to the battery is roughly half discharged. A good, fully-charged battery will read 12.6 volts. When it's considerably higher right after charging or running the engine, that is due to what's referred to as "surface charge". That's due to electrons that haven't gotten absorbed into the plates yet. They're floating around in the acid and cause those false readings. When that is a concern, just turn on a load for a few seconds to remove that surface charge. Headlights work best. Turn the lights off after five to ten seconds, then recheck that voltage.

Even though the voltage is a little low, it is not nearly low enough to indicate the battery has a bad cell. The next reading is the same battery voltage, but with the engine running. The charging system should develop between 13.75 and 14.75 volts. If that is what you find, that system is working and it's just the starting system we have to worry about. This is where we start at the starter relay's socket. That takes considerable time to type the instructions, but the tests are very easy with a simple test light. A helper will be needed to run the ignition switch during those tests. In the meantime, don't get too carried away with taking things like the dash apart. There's nothing in there that will cause this problem.
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Monday, July 3rd, 2023 AT 5:06 PM

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