Misfire on cylinders 1, 3, 5

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RYAN.TIM.J
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  • 2000 LEXUS GS 300
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Straight six cylinder engine. Very rough idle. Engine light on. Codes are multiple random misfire and misfire on 1, 3, 5. Coil packs, plugs, plug wires replace 20,000 mile ago. Since misfires, replace air flow sensor and VVT oil valve What could cause 1, 3, 5 to misfire together?
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Wednesday, May 29th, 2019 AT 7:40 PM

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Hello and thank you for the repost. Now earlier you stated that your fuel trims were lean on both banks 1 and 2. With the running lean condition and misfire codes I would recommend you move fuel injectors 1, 3, and 5 to cylinders 2, 4, and 6 to see if the misfires follow. If they do then you have faulty fuel injectors. Before you swap the injectors around inspect the fuel injector harness for rodent damage since those little critters love chewing up wires. If there is damage then repair the harness first. The black wire with white stripe is the power supply to the injectors. Also using a volt meter, verify you actually have battery voltage at those wires.

I hope the information gives you a good starting point and update us with the results
Good luck and I hope it is just a wiring issue and not the injectors.
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Wednesday, May 29th, 2019 AT 8:08 PM
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Hi, took apart interference on top of the engine and decided to clean up oil in the vicinity of the spark plug wells. Cleaned all that up and the car is running a bit smoother, and are now getting the check engine light for misfire on three only. Random multiple misfire disappeared from the list and cylinder one and five misfire disappeared from the list. While cleaning up coil pack on two was switched with coil pack on four, coil pack on four powers cylinder three. From this, I am concluding the problem is not coil packs wires, or spark plugs; all of which were replaced about 30,000 miles ago. Onto the injectors and injector wiring as a possible cause.

One odd observation: Reset all the codes before starting the car, with the AC running, the check engine light came on immediately. Turned AC off and reset again, and the light did not come on until turning the AC back on. Not sure why that happens, but it does. The car ran rough at idle either way, the misfire on three appeared to be there all along.
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Sunday, June 2nd, 2019 AT 1:34 PM
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Hi, decided to do a quick test. With car running, unplugged electrical connector on cylinder one fuel injector (it is easy to access). Car runs much rougher when doing so. Plugged it back in and unplugged the connector on cylinder three, there is no difference in the engine roughness. I will replace the injector on three, and probably all others while I am at it.

A side question, the valve covers leak oil, I will replace those gaskets while I have all the interference off. I have seen gasket kits that include tube seals. It appears this 3.0 L straight six has no tube seals, the spark plug wells are machined into the head. Am I correct? Thanks for all the help, this site has been a great resource.
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Sunday, June 2nd, 2019 AT 2:22 PM
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And, there is voltage at that injector. Thanks for the recommendations JIS001!
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Sunday, June 2nd, 2019 AT 2:23 PM
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Hi Ryan, I am glad to hear back from you and that you have narrowed it down to the #3 injector. As for the spark plug wells you are correct. There is only the 2 valve cover gaskets that do leak after a while and you end up getting engine oil seeping into the spark plug wells.
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Sunday, June 2nd, 2019 AT 3:42 PM
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Hi Ryan, I just wanted to follow up and check to see if the injectors were the issue? Let us know if that corrected the issue.
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Saturday, June 15th, 2019 AT 11:06 PM
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Hello, just finished the work today, was traveling on business all last week. Replaced injectors, and replace valve cover gaskets. Before taking it apart misfire 1 and 5 returned, there was a lot of oil in the center well again. Cleaned that all up after replacing injectors and replacing gaskets on valve covers.

But, the car is still running rough and Shows P301 Cylinder 1 Misfire Detected. And P1120 Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor Circuit Malfunction is stored. So problem not fixed.

Any recommendations?
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Sunday, June 16th, 2019 AT 4:15 PM
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I looked at Live Data, the ST fuel trims changed quite a bit. The were hovering at 0, now in the mid teens.
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Sunday, June 16th, 2019 AT 4:16 PM
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Hello,

Have you cleaning the throttle bore? Also what is the compression in the #1 cylinder? Also have you replaced the MAF sensor with new?

Here are guides to help us fix the problem:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/throttle-actuator-service

Please run down these guides and report back.

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Tuesday, June 18th, 2019 AT 8:02 PM
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Yes, MAF has been replaced and the throttle bore has been cleaned. I have not recently checked compression. Have had the oil leak problem on the valve covers for a while, I am thinking that the oil has damaged the coil pack driving cylinder one. Had misfire on 1, 3, 5 and after cleaning up all the oil, misfire went to just cylinder 3. After a couple of weeks of light driving, misfire came back on 1, 3 and 5. Took apart the top end interference to clean up oil and change valve cover gaskets. Put it all back together and now I have misfire on 1. I did not keep track of which coil packs went where, so I am thinking the bad pack went from 3 to 1. I will swap coil packs and see if the problem moves. The code on the accelerator position is new, might have damaged the connector or something while assembling or disassembling.
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Wednesday, June 19th, 2019 AT 5:07 AM
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Yep, it sounds like you are hot on the trail I would replace the valve cover gasket and replace the coil. This guide will walk you through the repair and diagrams with instructions below.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/replace-valve-cover-gasket

Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what you find. We are interested to see what it is.
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Thursday, June 20th, 2019 AT 11:56 AM
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Hi guys, thanks for all the useful information.

In addition to the locked in misfire 1 code, I started getting intermittent misfire on 2 and 4. Replaced all coil packs and plug wires and engine is running smooth no codes. That accelerator position sensor circuit problem went away, I did not do anything but clean and all the wire harness connectors on the throttle body.

So, the lesson learned on this engine is that an oil leak on the valve covers causes misfires. It was interesting, prior to replacing all the coil packs and wires, replacing valve cover gaskets and cleaning all the boots and wires with electronic cleaner, the boots would have an oil sheen after sitting on the work bench a couple of hours. After cleaning again, and installing and running, two weeks later when pulling them all for replacement, the boots were all wet with oil again even though the valve cover gasket change prevented new oil from getting in the the center well. Those plastics are like sponges, absorbed then kept weeping out oil.

I replaced the injectors previously to the coil pack and wire replacement, probably did not need it, but I am sure the engine appreciates the new injectors.

Thanks again for the support.
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Friday, June 28th, 2019 AT 5:44 PM
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Nice work, we are here to help, please use 2CarPros anytime.
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Saturday, June 29th, 2019 AT 5:04 PM
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Had the same kind of issue after replacing my oil control valve and the catalytic converters on my 01 GS300. Misfire codes popped up (random misfires on cyl 1, 3, 5), disconnected the battery then 6 miles later O2 sensor code popped up. Did extensive searches on the internet (Lexus forum) which was very informative and helpful, and ended up finding the culprit after a thorough inspection of the harness which happened to trigger the computer trips those codes. A little snapped off harness in the harness pack out of the bank1 O2 sensor connector was the cause (suspected a vacuum leak as well). The harness has been reconnected and no more CEL after about a 1k miles now.
Hope this helps.
PS the engine never idled rough when all the codes where on, hint that was telling me that the issues had nothing to do with some real misfiring issues.
Hope this helps.
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Wednesday, January 1st, 2020 AT 6:48 PM
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Please feel free to use 2CarPros anytime!
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Thursday, January 2nd, 2020 AT 7:31 PM
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A repair facility indicated that I need to take the car to a dealer. The two codes they registered were PO 120 and P 1346.
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Friday, January 3rd, 2020 AT 9:55 AM (Merged)
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These codes are for the throttle position switch and the cam position sensor (VVT) these should be checked by a qualified tech.
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Friday, January 3rd, 2020 AT 9:55 AM (Merged)
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My car was misfiring changed all plugs and wires changed all ignition coils ran great for a month now its misfiring in1, 3, &6 and check engine light flashing
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Friday, January 3rd, 2020 AT 9:55 AM (Merged)
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Can you please get the codes read and posted, also check for a problem with vacuum leaks and all electrical connections are clean and tight.
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Friday, January 3rd, 2020 AT 9:55 AM (Merged)
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P0300, p0301, p0303, p0306, p0135, p0135, p0141
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