Car runs very roughly when the weather temperature gets below 60-65 degrees Fahrenheit

Tiny
JIM HAYES
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  • 2003 CHRYSLER PT CRUISER
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  • 256,000 MILES
It runs like if you were driving a manual stick shift and changing gears poorly, like you were taking your foot off the clutch too quickly or jerkily. When the outside temperature is below 60-65, I have to let the car run for 15 minutes on average, then the car runs smoother, with only occasional jerks. Help, help. Tia!
Tuesday, November 26th, 2019 AT 3:02 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

Tia, have you checked the transmission fluid level? It expands with heat, so there is a chance it is just low.

Also, is the check engine light staying on when the engine is running?

Here are the directions for checking fluid level and condition. Note that it should be checked when the engine is running and at operating temp.

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2003 Chrysler Truck PT Cruiser L4-2.4L VIN B
Fluid Level and Condition Check
Vehicle Maintenance Fluids Fluid - A/T Service and Repair Procedures 41TE Fluid Level and Condition Check
FLUID LEVEL AND CONDITION CHECK
STANDARD PROCEDURE - FLUID LEVEL AND CONDITION CHECK

NOTE: Only transmission fluid of the type labeled Mopar ATF +4 (Automatic Transmission Fluid-Type 9602) should be used in this transaxle.

FLUID LEVEL CHECK
The transmission sump has a fluid level indicator (dipstick) to check oil similar to most automatic transmissions. It is located on the left side of the engine. Be sure to wipe all dirt from dipstick handle before removing.

Pic 1

The torque converter fills in both the P Park and N Neutral positions. Place the selector lever in P Park to be sure that the fluid level check is accurate. The engine should be running at idle speed for at least one minute, with the vehicle on level ground. At normal operating temperature 82°C (180°F), the fluid level is correct if it is in the HOT region on the oil level indicator (Fig. 192). The fluid level should be within the COLD region of the dipstick at 27°C (80°F) fluid temperature.

FLUID LEVEL CHECK USING DRB

NOTE: Engine and Transaxle should be at normal operating temperature before performing this procedure.

1. Start engine and apply parking brake.
2. Hook up DRB scan tool and select transmission.
3. Select sensors.
4. Read the transmission temperature value.

Pic 2

5. Compare the fluid temperature value with the fluid temperature chart (Fig. 193).
6. Adjust transmission fluid level shown on the indicator according to the chart.
7. Check transmission for leaks.

Low fluid level can cause a variety of conditions because it allows the pump to take in air along with the fluid. As in any hydraulic system, air bubbles make the fluid spongy, therefore, pressures will be low and build up slowly.

Improper filling can also raise the fluid level too high. When the transaxle has too much fluid, the gears churn up foam and cause the same conditions, which occur with a low fluid level.

In either case, air bubbles can cause overheating and/or fluid oxidation, and varnishing. This can interfere with normal valve, clutch, and accumulator operation. Foaming can also result in fluid escaping from the transaxle vent where it may be mistaken for a leak.

FLUID CONDITION
Along with fluid level, it is important to check the condition of the fluid. When the fluid smells burned, and is contaminated with metal or friction material particles, a complete transaxle recondition is probably required. Be sure to examine the fluid on the dipstick closely. If there is any doubt about its condition, drain out a sample for a double check.

Mopar ATF +4 (Automatic Transmission Fluid Type 9602) when new is red in color. The ATF is dyed red so it can be identified from other fluids used in the vehicle such as engine oil or antifreeze. The red color is not permanent and is not an indicator of fluid condition. As the vehicle is driven, the ATF will begin to look darker in color and may eventually become brown. This is normal. ATF +4 also has a unique odor that may change with age. Consequently, odor and color cannot be used to indicate the fluid condition or the need for a fluid change.

After the fluid has been checked, seat the dipstick fully to seal out water and dirt.

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Let me know what you find.

Joe
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Tuesday, November 26th, 2019 AT 7:19 PM
Tiny
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Hi, yes I checked the transmission fluid just the other day, I had to top it off with a half quart of transmission fluid, and it's good; when everything is warmed up the fluid is halfway in the checkered section. No bubbles, level ground, I can't explain why the fluid level was low, I haven't been able to get under the car lately, havent seen any significant or prominent puddles, but the driving problem is still happening.
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Tuesday, November 26th, 2019 AT 7:29 PM
Tiny
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Since the engine is running rough, there could be a vacuum leak causing issues. Has the check engine light come on and stayed on while the engine is running? If it is, have you checked for diagnostic trouble codes?

Also, check over the engine for cracked, disconnected, or damaged vacuum hoses. Here is a link that explains how to check for leaks:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

Let me know.
Joe
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Tuesday, November 26th, 2019 AT 8:26 PM
Tiny
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I don't know that i'd call it a rough engine, it feels like the transmission (or gearbox I don't know) is shifting badly and the car shuts off, It runs like if you were driving a manual stick shift and changing gears poorly, like you were taking your foot off the clutch too quickly or jerkily. When the outside temperature is below 60-65, I have to let the car run for 15 minutes on average, then the car runs smoother, with only occasional jerks.
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Tuesday, November 26th, 2019 AT 9:29 PM
Tiny
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When you come to a stop, does it also feel like a manual? Like you don't push the clutch in and the engine slowly shuts off?

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Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 AT 7:51 PM
Tiny
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Hmm, when the outside temperature is above 65 Fahrenheit, the car runs fine. When its below 65 or so the car will behave as I have said if it's put in to drive right away. It almost feels like the manual stick shift analogy for stopping too. When I come to a stop sometimes it's fine but most of the time it shuts off, and when I try to accelerate it almost always shuts off.
If I let the car run for 15 minutes to 'warm it up' then it runs okay. With only occasional chugs/burps and rarely stops running from this.
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Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 AT 8:55 PM
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Hi,

The idea that it is temperature affected, it sounds like a coolant temp sensor which not only controls the gauge but also the air fuel mixture the engine receives. However, it doesn't do anything to the transmission. On the other hand, it sounds like a transmission line pressure issue, that shouldn't be affected by temp but anything is possible.

Have you ever had the computer scanned?

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Thursday, November 28th, 2019 AT 5:37 PM
Tiny
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No. I have a blue driver obd2 scan tool.
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Thursday, November 28th, 2019 AT 7:04 PM
Tiny
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Is there a way that you could get your hands on one? If you can, check what the ECT is indicating coolant temperature to be. Do this cold so you can compare it to the outside ambient temp.

Let me know.
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Thursday, November 28th, 2019 AT 10:17 PM

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