1988 Pontiac Boneville. ECM question for code 26

Tiny
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1988 Pontiac Bonneville 4-door, V6 3.8L, with almost 170,000 miles on it, and electric everything.

Main question for this car is:

For each QUAD DRIVER circuit, which ones monitor what sensors?

I have searched for what seems an endless amount of time, and asked many mechanics (certified and not as well), and NONE have told me what would help. All they end up saying is "bring it in and we'll check it out"

Further information though. The check engine light comes on only after the engines been running a few minutes (can range from 1 minute to up to about 3 minutes, averages about 1.8 minutes), and results with a code 26, every time.
I won't take the car into a shop unless I can't fix it myself either. I'd rather deal with it, or fix it myself.
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Saturday, May 19th, 2007 AT 11:25 PM

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Tiny
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That doesnt sound like valid code, run it again with a better obd scanner and let me know what you get
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Sunday, May 27th, 2007 AT 11:22 PM
Tiny
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Car: Pontiac Bonneville 1988 3800 engine

For one, I don't have an OBD scanner, I'm using the paperclip approach to read the ECM trouble codes. Another factor is the fan does not turn on when I short A and B for diagnostic troubleshooting (I don't ever remember the fan coming on in diagnostics at any time for this car)
For now, I have to wait till Wednesday the 30th to do anything else on it since my wife uses it for work.

All it is giving me is a code 26, which is listed in my Haynes repair manual as 'Quad Driver module circuit'.(Codes 26 through 29 are all quad driver circuit, and that's all the book says on it too)

I've gone through the entire wiring and sensors, and the only thing I've found wrong is the oil pressure gauge is slammed to it's max position
I'm starting to think that the ECM is starting to go bad since the problem only occurs when the cars moving for a few minutes, and only occationally can I get the check engine light to come on while the cars parked.

I'm running out of time to fix the problem here ok, so I''m not beating around the bush here, so please, just tell me what you believe it may be, I'll check it out and confirm or deny it's the problem, and go from there. I'm just not interested in taking the car in to a shop and fork over a few hundred dollars for something I can fix for a lot less yet, so an answer that I really need is asked again:

What sensors does the quad driver module circuit #1 actually monitor, and what pin do I need to check on the ECM to test out the quad driver circuit to see if it's burned out or not?
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Monday, May 28th, 2007 AT 12:33 PM
Tiny
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I will re searach your problem. As for the oil pSI guage at max, this is a common problem, I have done many of this, the oil pessure sending unit has gone bad, it looks like a screw and it costs 50 buccks, its easy to replace, it right up in the middle of the car on the side of the oil pan, you need either small hands or a long pair of pliers to replace. Do this on an empty tank when you change your oil as oil will leak. It costs around 50 bucks. You screw it into the pan and then connect the wiring, so as for the guage this is most deffintly the problem, When you go to pick up the part should you choose to fix it which I suggest you do as if you have high oil PSi and you dont know it or low PSI your could ruin your engine or worse. When you pick up the part there going to ask if you have a oil psi light or guage, of course you tell them guage, as it is a different module for each one, as for the other issue i'm not quite sure on that, let me check with some of my mechanic's at the shop and tomorrow I will check our OBD scanner and let you know what you the quad driver module actaully does, give me 24 hours. But I do know for a fact about your first issue
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Monday, May 28th, 2007 AT 9:15 PM
Tiny
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The quad driver module drivers are an internal part on the ECM computer that is NOT serviceable. The module is axtually split a and b so inessence the quad driver can cause half of the engine to misfire. I belive you need to replace the ECM computer. THis is the deffintion of what the quad driver module does

Quad/Output Driver Module:
The Control Module in this vehicle controls most components with electronic switches which complete a ground circuit when turned on.

When the switches are arranged in groups of 4, they can independently control up to 4 outputs and are called Quad Drivers.

When the switches are arranged in groups of 7, they can independently control up to 7 outputs and are called Output Drivers.

Not all outputs are always used.

Hope this helps. Let me know
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Monday, May 28th, 2007 AT 9:23 PM
Tiny
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Pontiac Bonneville 1988, 3800 engine.

Thanks for the responses Isussel. It's all a great help, but there is no sensor near the oil pan in this case for it's pressure. The sensor is on the oil filter mount, and yes, it is a bit of a pain to get to it. I had to take the passenger tire off, a cover, then eventually use a pair of vice grips to get the sensor off (I was gentle doing it too). Also checked the wiring, end to end, and it all seemed to check out ok so far.

I still need to know what the Quad #1 sensor is connected to and monitoring, as it may help me find the real problem faster, or maby even indicate that the ECM is indeed going bad with the Quad itself.

The old oil sensor WAS bad btw, and the new one does almost the same things as the old sensor, regretfully though, it's the WRONG sensor, so Saturday here I'll be getting the right one, and post how it acts as compaired to the old sensor (for right now, I put the old sensor back in). I'll also rip into the kick panel area housing the ECM and test out a bunch more connections there to maby help rule out a wiring problem too, as well, check at some junk yards in the area here and see if I can get a hold of a different ECM and duplicate the codes and such too, it's just right now we're so limited on time and cash to work on it. I guess that's what a shade-tree mechanic gets with a wife that likes to put things off till the last minute. LMAO. She'll sing a different tune if the car can't pass emissions in about 2 weeks.

I'll post sometime Saturday afternoon with all the rest of my findings since the wife will be using the car Friday for work (only about 3 miles 1 way for her).
OH, and so you know, we're using the car as little as possible. Riding a bicycle 6 miles to and from work makes life a bit interesting at times for me.
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Thursday, May 31st, 2007 AT 5:15 PM
Tiny
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Oil pressure appears to now be working normally after getting the correct sensor for it. Runs just below half way up the gauge (about 35 psi at idle).

Couldn't get a different ECM to work Saturday. Was interesting looking through junkyards all morning though.

One thing that makes this problem a lot harder is that the ECM in the car has been remanufactured, and they took off the original stickers that were on it. But, 1 place I called to happen to have 2 out of 3 ECM's that can go into the Pontiac 88 Bonneville, so Monday after work, I'll go check them out, try them and see which one is the closest match in this case. (My area, places are closed by about 2PM on weekends, or not even open at all)
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Sunday, June 3rd, 2007 AT 10:05 AM
Tiny
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Tried a different ECM, and got the same code 26.

MORE:

Have talked with a mechanics friend, and he referred me to the following:

1. Evaporative purge unit
(no smell of fuel. Voltage test to compair to would help. Appears to operate correctly)
2. Throttle position sensor #2
(sensor replaced. Running at.8V for low sensor check to cancel code 22)
3. Air/fuel ratio/malfunction
(O2 sensor operating within parameters or it would produce code 44 or 45, lean/rich considerig)
4. Quad driver sensor 2
(RULED OUT as that would cause a code 27 to occur)
5. Right front wheel speed
( By wiring schematics, appears to be only 1 sensor for speed, and it appears to work normally, because if it wasn't, then the spedometer would 'bounce' around. It does not)

For now, have to wait till tomorrow to replace the Neutral Starter Safety Switch, which may possibly be the problem. I myserlf here, forgot about totallty since it started to work correctly when the temperature got above 40F.
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Wednesday, June 6th, 2007 AT 8:05 PM
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It could have been worse, but I finally found the problem of why the code 26 was coming up. Oh well, quite a few things got fixed in the process, so it wasn't a total loss of time and effort.

It was a fuse missing for the cooling fan! I got it figured out when I went back through the wiring schematics, and noticed there should have been a 5 AMP fuse there. I just didn't think on checking for MISSING fuses.I was checking for burned out ones!
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Thursday, June 7th, 2007 AT 7:01 PM

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