Transmission very difficult to shift into gear

Tiny
ARUN NAYAK
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  • 1984 JEEP CJ7
  • 2.5L
  • 4 CYL
  • 4WD
  • MANUAL
  • 74,000 MILES
My vehicle has a 4 speed manual transmission which has become very difficult to shift into gear. The clutch feels just like before, but the shifter refuses to get into any gear. The clutch has never had strong tension, but I thought that was normal. Sometimes I can force it into gear (reverse grinds), but sometimes it's impossible.

I tried adjusting the transfer case position to N, 4L, 4H etc, and then the it shifts like everything is okay when I move it back to 2H. While on the road, it shifts okay, except when I am fully stopped. Then I have to move the transfer case back and forth before it shifts again and I get going. The gears also feel like they grind sometimes when I shift on the road. The problem seems to resurface unpredictably when stopped or while in motion.

Sometimes, trying to shift into gear when stopped feels like something is blocking the shifter and the jeep lurches forward a little bit. The best way to describe this is it makes a thud sound and feels as if the jeep was given a smooth push.

Where is the first place I should start looking? Are these symptoms of any particular problem?
Saturday, July 20th, 2019 AT 1:27 PM

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Tiny
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You have a T-176 4 speed transmission?

Has the transfer case been unbolted/removed/partially been removed from the transmission?

Does your slave cylinder fully extend when the clutch pedal is pushed?

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Saturday, July 20th, 2019 AT 7:01 PM
Tiny
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My transmission is stock, so I would believe it is the T-176.

The transfer case has not been unbolted.

I realized it may be something simple when I read your question about the slave cylinder. I opened the cap to see there was no fluid. Filled it up and after trying to get into gear and pushing the clutch a few times, I am able to shift with no problems.

I will let it sit for some time and check again in the evening if the shifter goes into gear with no problems. Thanks. Hopefully this was it, but I will send an update.
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Sunday, July 21st, 2019 AT 6:34 AM
Tiny
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If it were dry (empty), you will probably need to bleed it to optimize clutch operation.

Along with that, if it got empty, the juice went somewhere. It may have seeped out slow over a long period of time, it may have went all of a sudden.

The thing is, however it left the system, is probably when you started having shifting issues.

It may need some tightening or repairs to seal things back up.

Yep, one more thing already on the AMC maintenance schedule to be checked periodically. Now realized and now on your list!

This was not a problem a few years earlier in CJs when the clutch was operated by mechanical linkage with no slave involved.

Keep us posted on progress or anything you might need help with.

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Sunday, July 21st, 2019 AT 1:08 PM
Tiny
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I left the Jeep sit for a day and it wouldn’t shift into gear after starting it up. I tried shifting the transfer case lever like I had before and also pumped the clutch a few times and then was able to shift with no problems. Drove around the block and it seemed fine. I’m going to observe over the next few days. Slightly concerned that I had to pump the clutch a few times, probably have to bleed it like you said. I will have to look up how to do that. Hopefully that’s it, but I will keep checking and let you know what I observe.
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Monday, July 22nd, 2019 AT 2:34 PM
Tiny
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Keep the clutch reservoir topped off, do not let it run out of juice.

Pump the clutch pedal 3 or 4 times and hold it to the floor.

(insure there is no dirt daubers or mud obstructing the bleeder hole)

Have your assistant crack open the bleeder screw on the slave cylinder.

Just like I like to bleed brakes, I close the bleeder screw before all of the squirting pressure gets to zero. This insures that no air gets sucked back in.

I might even suck out any old juice from the reservoir before I started (turkey baster works well) then bleed until all of the old discolored juice has been pushed out.

Once you are done, search for and repair any leaks that might be present.

2 pics below,

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Monday, July 22nd, 2019 AT 4:30 PM
Tiny
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Thank you for your advice. I have driven the Jeep a couple times since I filled the reservoir. I had to pump the clutch a couple time to be able to shift on the first day, and did not need to pump the clutch pedal yesterday. I will see if the problem recurs and will bleed the slave cylinder if required. Thanks again!
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Friday, July 26th, 2019 AT 5:14 AM
Tiny
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Good deal!

Let us know how it's working out.

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Friday, July 26th, 2019 AT 5:21 PM

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