Engine lifter clearance

Tiny
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I am pretty certain that the valve lash is too much on my XB engine. I know it has lifter buckets and I was wanting the procedures to check the valve lifter to cam clearances and then remove the lifters to replace with appropriately sized ones. I believe there are size choices on the lifters and the part numbers are different when ordering from dealer. I know the cams must be removed and timing chain just moved to the side. I read that the underneath of the lifter buckets tends to wear out more than the valve stem itself so the proper lifter replacement should alleviate my problem with the clacking noise. Please help, and first I should check clearances. Furthermore, I plan to change the serpentine belt during this time, FYI.
Friday, January 14th, 2022 AT 8:17 PM

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Tiny
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Good morning,

I attached the procedure for you for the repair.

You have a lot of work to do for this. I would verify the buckets are available from the dealer before tearing them down.

If you find any damage to the camshaft, replace the camshaft.

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Saturday, January 15th, 2022 AT 4:19 AM
Tiny
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Thank you for the information (very helpful). I understand what I have to do. While I am contacting the dealer to verify if they can provide me with the proper replacement lifters, can you provide me with the procedures for removing and installing the camshafts and get that chain tensioner out of the way in order to lift the cams out and remove the lifters when it comes time?
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Monday, January 17th, 2022 AT 1:54 PM
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Okay, I attached the procedure for removing the camshafts for you below.

Most guys do not remove the chain from the front of the motor. What they do is after they remove the bolt for the cam gear, lift up the gear with the chain still attached and secure it until the procedure is done, and then install the gear the same way it was removed.

I would set the engine on top dead center before removing the gears.

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Monday, January 17th, 2022 AT 2:44 PM
Tiny
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So, set it on top dead center #1 cylinder and remove the gears then? Are the cam gears keyed to the camshafts or have pins? Does the tensioner have to be unbolted? Any way you could get the actual steps in wording for the removal process? I see the exploded view diagrams and have an understanding of how it goes together. Maybe some step-by-step procedure (in wording) would help a little to remove the cams. Thank you.
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Monday, January 17th, 2022 AT 11:37 PM
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Yes, they are keyed to the cam itself.

No, the tensioner does not have to be touched at all. It is keeping the tension, so the chain does not come off the crank.

That is all I have from Alldata for the procedure for the cams. They are right there once you remove the valve cover. The caps and the gears are the only things you will be removed to remove the camshaft.

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Tuesday, January 18th, 2022 AT 1:58 AM
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I am going to the dealer this week to check on availability of the lifter buckets.

One quick question? I know I have oil in the spark plug tube on this XB when I remove a couple of the coils. Is that usually the valve cover gasket assembly with the integrated seals or is it the spark plug tube fitment to the head area like my older 2.2 liter 1992 Camry I have where I used FIPG to seal it up?
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Monday, January 24th, 2022 AT 6:17 PM
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The oil comes from the valve cover gasket seal for the tube itself.

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Tuesday, January 25th, 2022 AT 8:09 AM
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Okay, thanks. I will look into the valve cover gasket seal parts as the culprit.

Also, I went to the dealer today and obtained this information regarding the lifter parts. The sizes of the lifters the parts clerk wrote in pen from the screen information to the side of the part number. They are about $22.00 each. I actually forgot to ask if they are available, but he gave me a printout and did not mention any non-availability with these parts. It appears I should be able to accomplish this repair. Thoughts?
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Tuesday, January 25th, 2022 AT 10:46 PM
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Correct. Once you get it apart and verify what shims you need, then you can call him for the parts.

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Wednesday, January 26th, 2022 AT 8:21 AM
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Hi Roy,

As far as the valve cover is concerned, can you give me the replacement procedure for the valve cover because I want to know if Toyota has a torque sequence and special FIPG requirements in a few areas which I think it does. I am asking for more complete details for the steps when I replace the valve cover. Currently, I am in the process of removing the valve cover and I have the plugs out so I can easily turn the engine over and reach TDC #1 etc. What is the orientation of the cylinders 1234 or 4321 when viewing from the front bumper standing in front? I am about to start digging into the top of the engine and I want to ask all of this in advance. I especially need to know where #1, #2, #3, and #4 cylinders are. Torque sequence on valve cover.
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Tuesday, April 19th, 2022 AT 12:33 AM
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I attached the torque spec for the valve cover.

Roy
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Wednesday, April 20th, 2022 AT 8:48 AM
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Thank you, Roy.

Is there a tightening sequence listed for these? In what order should they be tightened? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, etc.
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Wednesday, April 20th, 2022 AT 9:01 PM
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Roy,

I have not attempted to loosen the cam gears yet because I have a question since it looks like the bolt doesn't have enough space to come out once it starts to be loosened up. I have attached the pics to show. The one smaller gear looks like it will be fine, but the cam gear that is more rearward has a bolt that is very close to the engine casing in order to remove. Have you actually done this before to confirm that I will have no problem removing the cam gears? Notice the limited spacing at the aft cam gear bolt to engine casing?
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Wednesday, April 20th, 2022 AT 9:18 PM
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Just to jump in on this. That is a great question. You actually loosen the bolt while holding the camshaft and then remove the bearing caps and lift it up to gain the clearance that you need to remove.

I am attaching the info below from the manual that will show the details on this.

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Sunday, April 24th, 2022 AT 8:00 AM
Tiny
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Kenny,

Thanks for the information! I also would like the torque sequence to bolt down the valve cover, please. I assume there is a bolt tightening order. I know the torque; I need the order of tightening.

I checked the lifter clearances and although a few were high on the exhaust side, they were right at the high end of the range and within spec. I think I will be looking at the timing chain, tensioner, and guides. The clearances that I measured for the lifters did not warrant removing the camshafts. I was asking all of these questions to prepare to do it as I was obtaining the feeler gauges to check the lifter clearances. However, since the lifters I feel are okay, I will look at the chain and associated tensioner components since I have noise still. Thanks again in advance for the valve cover tightening sequence.
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Sunday, April 24th, 2022 AT 7:22 PM
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The torque value was in a previous response.

You tighten then start in the center and work out on both sides.

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Monday, April 25th, 2022 AT 8:11 AM
Tiny
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Okay Roy,

i am wondering if there is a specific diagram with the order to tighten the bolts with a picture showing which bolts to tighten in order. Is there a torque in steps? Do they have a step-by-step procedure like everything else? I can use sound judgement and tighten in the middle and work outward, but I am curious if there are actual steps in the service manual?
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Monday, April 25th, 2022 AT 11:23 PM
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Not a problem. However, Roy is correct that you want to start in the middle and work outwards.

The manual does not specify the specific steps for the cover bolts because this type of cover is not susceptible to warping, which is what you are trying to avoid with a specific torque sequence.

However, I numbered them on how I would do it.

Make sure you put sealant in the corners as shown. Let us know if you have other questions.

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Tuesday, April 26th, 2022 AT 7:12 AM
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Okay, Thank you Roy and Kenny,
With your help I am now comfortable that I can do a good job replacing the valve cover gasket now that I determined that the lifter clearances are with spec. I still have a clicking sound which I will try and focus on the timing chain tensioner and/or the serpentine belt and tensioner. For now, I need to put the car back in service while I figure out/ rule out the serpentine belt and also the timing chain. Are there any good threads on this subject yet? For this thread, I basically removed the valve cover and checked the lifter clearances. I was so confident that the lifters were the problem, but I feel that they are in spec and not the problem. Thanks for helping thus far as I had to prepare for the worst scenario of changing out the lifters with new ones, but in this case, it was not needed, but the noise is still there I am sure once I button everything back up since I did not change anything other than the gasket on the cover.
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Wednesday, April 27th, 2022 AT 12:52 AM
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Timing chain normally does not cause a tapping noise. That normally causes a slapping noise when you decelerate.

As for the belt issue, I would just remove the serpentine belt and run the engine for a short time to see if the noise is still there.

If it is, then we need to get a new post started so that others will find the ticking noise issue if they have the same thing. We are not only here to assist you but when you solve an issue that will help all others in the future and they most likely will not find this issue under this topic.

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Wednesday, April 27th, 2022 AT 12:07 PM

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