Blown water pump and water/antifreeze in oil

Tiny
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  • 2008 FORD EDGE
  • 3.5L
  • 6 CYL
  • AWD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 100,000 MILES
I have a 2008 ford edge. It had no issues until last week. Driving home it started to run hot and then started running rough and stopped running. It sat for an hour while the tow truck was on its way. I could not tell where the leak was and pour in a gallon of water which ran out slowly from somewhere at the front of the engine. It was able to start and drive onto the tow truck. It went to the shop, the guy told me it needed a water pump but because it was a Ford Edge and buried behind the timing belts, he did not have time to work on it and suggested a Ford Dealer. I had it towed to the dealer and explained it to the service adviser. The guy I explained it to wasn't the same adviser who took it in. The guy who took it in called me and said they drove it to see what was wrong, so I told him the whole story again, he then called and said I need a new engine. So, my question is, the first mechanics said they did not see water in the oil, now the dealer says there is. Can I get away with just having the water pump changed with its gaskets and change the oil and use the car for 10000 more miles or is the engine shot like the dealer says?
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Tuesday, July 14th, 2015 AT 4:16 PM

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Tiny
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Nothing you said suggests there should be coolant in the oil. If you do a lot of short-trip driving, there may be a white, milky substance on the bottom of the oil cap, and the dealer's mechanic may be basing his diagnosis on that. The other clue is the oil level would be substantially over-full and the oil would look like a light brown mud. If neither of those are true, I would seek a second opinion from an independent repair shop.

Some cars are really miserable to work on and to get to the needed parts. In those cases, a mechanic may be inclined lean toward a total engine replacement which can actually be easier than repairing what you have now. To throw in the towel right away before running up your bill for diagnostic time might be seen as a way to save you a little money and insure the quality of the repair. Also, mechanics at independent shops get to see every car model and they can compare them. Their feeling often is the dealer got the "gravy" when they sold the product, now send it back there and let them deal with the, ... Uhm, ... What gravy turns into!

Without knowing any more than I do right now, my choice would be to have the water pump replaced and have the oil changed if there is any question about it. Since the engine was running to drive the car to the tow truck, it likely simply stalled due to being really hot. There can be other problems yet to be discovered, like a leaking cylinder head gasket, but the engine could also have no other problems and will run fine. (The Ford mechanic may also have been worried about a warped cylinder head / leaking head gasket. That is another expensive repair that involves working on a totally different area of the engine than the water pump). He sees a lot of the same models over and over, and experience may have taught him that replacing the engine is what is in your best interest in the long-term.
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Tuesday, July 14th, 2015 AT 4:54 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for the info. The water pump replacement which was quoted by the first service adviser from the Ford Dealer was 1700, the second adviser who said it needed an engine was at 9000. The independent guy was in a range of 1500 to 1800 and that's all labor her said, using his NAPA estimator. I trust the independent mechanic as he has serviced all my cars for over 10 years. He said the water pump was a lot of hours and took special tools his shop didn't have. I just didn't want to put the water pump in if the engine was shot because of water. I guess I have to now get it towed to another place for a water pump, not sure I trust that dealer.
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