Hey Gang have a 4 of 98 Mit Eclipse RS 2.0 Non-Turbo

Tiny
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This is my sons car and he just doesn't have any patients. He gets pissed and I just stop and go on my way.

Anyway, here is the problem he is having.

It started out stalling when warmed up. Checked for spark when wouldn't start and there is none. After it cools off will start. Tested TPS checked good. My son just went ahead and replace the Cam Sensor. Didn't fix it. I initialy told him the there were a few sensor that can cause the problem. And he was just going to replace them all. I told him there was no need.

He has just frustated me so much when trying to figure this thing out I am just at a lose right now.

The only codes I get are for the P0403 EGR Valve and P1494 EVAP Solenoid.

Anyway any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

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Friday, July 9th, 2010 AT 1:08 AM

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Tiny
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Hi Obx,

Did you test the coils? Sometime they would fail when heated up.
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Tuesday, July 13th, 2010 AT 12:48 PM
Tiny
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Hey KH,

No I sure haven't. The day after I posted this the thing would start and only run for about 5 seconds if that then wouldn't start at all. Thats when he got really pissed and I just lost all train of thought again.

Anyway Thanks for the input.

Mark Shreaves

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Wednesday, July 14th, 2010 AT 1:39 PM
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You're welcome Mark.

I understand how it goes with your son, both mine are similar but I never give them the chance to get over my head.

Reconfirm if it is sparks that are missing or maybe weak?
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Wednesday, July 14th, 2010 AT 2:02 PM
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Ok, now thinking about when it shut down I checked for spark and there was none. So, the next thing I checked was for power to coil and there was no power to coil. So, I was thinking Cam or Crank Sensor but couldn't find any definate test for them. Son replace cam sensor, and no dice. He is planing on replacing crank sensor his next pay check.

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Friday, July 16th, 2010 AT 1:46 AM
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No power to coil? Did you check the supply from the ASD relay, left rear of engine compartment.
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Friday, July 16th, 2010 AT 11:43 AM
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That was the first thing that was replaced. Then he replaced the Cam Sensor. I guess he is going to get the Crank Sensor this week and replace it. I told him to hold off, but he doesn't have any patients and wants his car running. I don't plame him but I have told him and his sisters that paying jobs come first, they help pay bills, freebies don't.

Thanks Again for your help with this

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Sunday, July 18th, 2010 AT 12:59 AM
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So we have to wait and see how it goes since he doesnt have the patience to diagnose.
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Sunday, July 18th, 2010 AT 7:20 AM
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BINGO!

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Sunday, July 18th, 2010 AT 7:25 PM
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Lets have a beer to celebrate, :)
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Sunday, July 18th, 2010 AT 7:41 PM
Tiny
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Ok, Lookin like it won't be around much longer he found someone that wants to buy it as is for $1300.

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Sunday, July 25th, 2010 AT 2:54 AM
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Lets have another beer.

Hmm, so he is getting another car?
New reasons to quarrel, lol
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Sunday, July 25th, 2010 AT 4:11 AM
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Yah, he will get another vehicle with out me taking a look at it. Just like with the other 6 cars. I will just have to help fix it. And most likely if he get another standard tranny I will be helping him change the clutch about 2 weeks after he get it. Da ja vu, this happens with every standard he gets.

Glad he lives with his mother and is on her insurance.

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Monday, July 26th, 2010 AT 12:51 AM
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Lmao aren't you very lucky to have a big foot clutch rider in the family, teach him how to drive an automatic. Lol
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Monday, July 26th, 2010 AT 2:12 AM
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Guess you did not get any share of the $1300.
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Monday, July 26th, 2010 AT 1:10 PM
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Well, looks like I will be fixing it after all. I did find one problem.

This is Funny.

Ok, so he changed out the MFI Relay, now the new one didn't look like the one one the car. You know the ones that are mounted on a rail. The new one was an AR272. So what does he do? He takes the new one apart then the old one and places the new guts into the old housing. I found out when I when to do some testing on the Relay Harness and the relay came apart. I told him well here is your problem, he said no it's not and told me what he had done. I laughed my ass off, then I explained to him that he wasn't supposed to do what he done.

Anyway, told him he may have damaged the relay when he done it. Some got another one and change fuel fouled plugs and run great now, however, it still dieds once it reaches operating temp.

So going to change the CSS in morning after get home from working EMS.

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Thursday, July 29th, 2010 AT 1:15 AM
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Ok, Need some suggestions,

Changed out the Crank Sensor (about 930am) car ran good except that it stalled a couple times when slowing down. Figured a vacuum leak, son was happy it was running and would look for it later. Well he said it ran great all day. Then he went to WalMart this was about 630pm when he came out car wouldn't start. Check for power at coil, had power, checked for spark, no spark. Changed coil with same results. Only code is for Cam Sensor, but had code all day.

Thanks Gang

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Saturday, July 31st, 2010 AT 11:11 PM
Tiny
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If the Cam sensor is indicating, check the connections. Mitshubishi wire sockets tends to get brittle over time and any contaminations of the terminals would cause intermittent failures.

Was the Cam sensor replaced new or used?
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Sunday, August 1st, 2010 AT 3:50 AM
Tiny
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The Cam Sensor was replaced with a new one. Checked harness all looks in good shape.

One thing I noticed when went to check it out again. When disconnected the Coil Pack Harness heard the relay kick in, and when moving the harness around the relay will kick in at random times. When hold the harness still the relay doesn't kick in. Haven't been able to locate a short or bad connection between the connector and were it joins the rest of the wiring harness which is about 16".

Here is a little note I got from my son. He was doing some looking into it online and said something about Crank Walk? I have never heard of it.

No hurry on this wont be able to do anything till next week. Hurt my back today while working EMS, was work a car accident when vehicle started rolling backwards about the time we had the patient about half out. I was inside the front door and used my body/back to stop the car so the patient and 4 other firefighters and ems personel didn't get hurt.

Muscle relaxers and Vicodon good stuff

Thanks

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Wednesday, August 4th, 2010 AT 1:12 AM
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We have been taught to never mimick Superman, it can be damaging. You learnt it the hard way, lol. Well done anyway and take care of your back. Personally I had a very long and difficult relationship with my bad back.

Never heard of Crank Walk and googling came up with what I know don't have a name for. It is the crankshaft having too much forward or rear thrust due to worn crank bearing key.

I don't think that is the problem. Such conditions would only affect the engine idling and maybe stalling but not and unable to start.

Since you do not have sparks and the wiggling of wires causes the relays to click, that is what you should be concentrating o.

Sometimes wire break internally and the outer covering is good so it would not be easy to detect. Quite often this situation occurs when wires are not secured correctly due to broken straps for holding them in place. Over time the wire would break internally when these wires are subjected to vibrations.

Try tugging at the wires, especially those for power supply to the coils etc and check for continuity or battery voltage if applicable.
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Wednesday, August 4th, 2010 AT 4:06 PM

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