Hey Gang have a 4 of 98 Mit Eclipse RS 2.0 Non-Turbo

Hi Obx,

Did you test the coils? Sometime they would fail when heated up.

Hey KH,

No I sure haven't. The day after I posted this the thing would start and only run for about 5 seconds if that then wouldn't start at all. Thats when he got really pissed and I just lost all train of thought again.

Anyway Thanks for the input.

Mark Shreaves

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You're welcome Mark.

I understand how it goes with your son, both mine are similar but I never give them the chance to get over my head.

Reconfirm if it is sparks that are missing or maybe weak?

Ok, now thinking about when it shut down I checked for spark and there was none. So, the next thing I checked was for power to coil and there was no power to coil. So, I was thinking Cam or Crank Sensor but couldn't find any definate test for them. Son replace cam sensor, and no dice. He is planing on replacing crank sensor his next pay check.

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No power to coil? Did you check the supply from the ASD relay, left rear of engine compartment.

That was the first thing that was replaced. Then he replaced the Cam Sensor. I guess he is going to get the Crank Sensor this week and replace it. I told him to hold off, but he doesn't have any patients and wants his car running. I don't plame him but I have told him and his sisters that paying jobs come first, they help pay bills, freebies don't.

Thanks Again for your help with this

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So we have to wait and see how it goes since he doesnt have the patience to diagnose.

BINGO!

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Lets have a beer to celebrate, :)

Ok, Lookin like it won't be around much longer he found someone that wants to buy it as is for $1300.

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Lets have another beer.

Hmm, so he is getting another car?
New reasons to quarrel, lol

Yah, he will get another vehicle with out me taking a look at it. Just like with the other 6 cars. I will just have to help fix it. And most likely if he get another standard tranny I will be helping him change the clutch about 2 weeks after he get it. Da ja vu, this happens with every standard he gets.

Glad he lives with his mother and is on her insurance.

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Lmao aren't you very lucky to have a big foot clutch rider in the family, teach him how to drive an automatic. Lol

Guess you did not get any share of the $1300.

Well, looks like I will be fixing it after all. I did find one problem.

This is Funny.

Ok, so he changed out the MFI Relay, now the new one didn't look like the one one the car. You know the ones that are mounted on a rail. The new one was an AR272. So what does he do? He takes the new one apart then the old one and places the new guts into the old housing. I found out when I when to do some testing on the Relay Harness and the relay came apart. I told him well here is your problem, he said no it's not and told me what he had done. I laughed my ass off, then I explained to him that he wasn't supposed to do what he done.

Anyway, told him he may have damaged the relay when he done it. Some got another one and change fuel fouled plugs and run great now, however, it still dieds once it reaches operating temp.

So going to change the CSS in morning after get home from working EMS.

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Ok, Need some suggestions,

Changed out the Crank Sensor (about 930am) car ran good except that it stalled a couple times when slowing down. Figured a vacuum leak, son was happy it was running and would look for it later. Well he said it ran great all day. Then he went to WalMart this was about 630pm when he came out car wouldn't start. Check for power at coil, had power, checked for spark, no spark. Changed coil with same results. Only code is for Cam Sensor, but had code all day.

Thanks Gang

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If the Cam sensor is indicating, check the connections. Mitshubishi wire sockets tends to get brittle over time and any contaminations of the terminals would cause intermittent failures.

Was the Cam sensor replaced new or used?

The Cam Sensor was replaced with a new one. Checked harness all looks in good shape.

One thing I noticed when went to check it out again. When disconnected the Coil Pack Harness heard the relay kick in, and when moving the harness around the relay will kick in at random times. When hold the harness still the relay doesn't kick in. Haven't been able to locate a short or bad connection between the connector and were it joins the rest of the wiring harness which is about 16".

Here is a little note I got from my son. He was doing some looking into it online and said something about Crank Walk? I have never heard of it.

No hurry on this wont be able to do anything till next week. Hurt my back today while working EMS, was work a car accident when vehicle started rolling backwards about the time we had the patient about half out. I was inside the front door and used my body/back to stop the car so the patient and 4 other firefighters and ems personel didn't get hurt.

Muscle relaxers and Vicodon good stuff

Thanks

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We have been taught to never mimick Superman, it can be damaging. You learnt it the hard way, lol. Well done anyway and take care of your back. Personally I had a very long and difficult relationship with my bad back.

Never heard of Crank Walk and googling came up with what I know don't have a name for. It is the crankshaft having too much forward or rear thrust due to worn crank bearing key.

I don't think that is the problem. Such conditions would only affect the engine idling and maybe stalling but not and unable to start.

Since you do not have sparks and the wiggling of wires causes the relays to click, that is what you should be concentrating o.

Sometimes wire break internally and the outer covering is good so it would not be easy to detect. Quite often this situation occurs when wires are not secured correctly due to broken straps for holding them in place. Over time the wire would break internally when these wires are subjected to vibrations.

Try tugging at the wires, especially those for power supply to the coils etc and check for continuity or battery voltage if applicable.