P0174 Trouble Code?

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Changed both upstream o2 sensors. Bank one sensor fluctuates much lower milivolts than Bank two sensor. Seems to run to good to have vacum leak.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 1:04 PM (Merged)
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Check fuel pressure with a gauge auto parts rent it. Should be 55-62 psi unless vin Z then it's 48-52 psi
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 1:04 PM (Merged)
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Thanks, is it possible bank one is running leaner than bank two due to low fuel pressure? Bank one sensor fluctuates from 0 to about 700 on scan tool, bank two fluctuates from about 300 to 800. Both upstream sensors new. Thanks for your reply.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 1:04 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Also downstream sensor one shows lower than downstream sensor two, witch sinals cat is working properly, I think?
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 1:04 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Don't worry about the fluctuation until the 171 and 174 is fixed low fuel pressure causes these kind of codes cause the engine is getting fuel right.
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Tiny
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Will check fuel pressure, and change filter thanks for tip.
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What would cause a PO171 and Po174 code to come up on chevolet suburban
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 1:04 PM (Merged)
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It indicates a lean condition on bank one and bank two.

Could be O2 sensors, or low fuel pressure, clogged injector.

I would start by using a can of SeaFoam in tank, reset codes and see if it helps problem.

May take a couple of tanks to get results.

If it doesn't help, then get fuel pressure measured with mechancal gauge, if OK, then O2 sensors would be next.

If you have original O2 sensors at 254K, they are probably the likely cause.
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Tiny
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Checked pressure 45 lbs cold start pressure regulator dry and working. Couple lbs low be enough to cause?
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3 days ago changed the fuel pump, been runing seafoam in it for the past 3 months, would map sensor cause this problem
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That is more than a couple and yes it is more than likely the cause
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What would cause codes PO171 and codes PO174
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Tiny
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There are only a coupe of checks for this that you can do. If this is a big block ( 8.1L ) then make sure your intake manifold bolts are tight, because these codes indicate a lean condition. Check or soft hoses or cracks. If you find it then reset the cmputer. Otherwise it needs to be scanned with a scanner and needs a freeze frame done on it.
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Tiny
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Chevolet had it for a month and changed the whole month they said that they changed the whole intake manifold
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 1:04 PM (Merged)
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Well even if they did and this is a big block check the intake manifold bolts because if htis has the small 8 mm heads thesetend to loosen up on that engine. But also check for vacuum leaks. Hoses can break or come disconnected. Besides you have never said whatsize motor this is.
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I also had codes p0171 and p0174 so I looked at the intake gaskets and replaced them, also a few vacuum line elbows that I found cracked that went from the fuel pressure regulator to the air intake. And those codes have not come back.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 1:04 PM (Merged)
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102 is a mass air flow code. The 400 series are evap codes.

How does it run?

Are all connections good at the mass air flow? Is the big hose to the air filter tight and secure?

Roy
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 1:04 PM (Merged)
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With the MAF connected it would start fine then about 10 to 15 seconds the RPM's would decrease and it sounded like it was ready to stall but really just run rough. The air filter intake hose is secure the connection look good, i've got good PWR in 14VDC and a solid ground, from the signal side with the truck running I get about 5.04VDC. I didn't get the 400 series codes until I changed the MAF. When I disconnect the MAF it runs perfect with no issues.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 1:04 PM (Merged)
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Most likely the sensor is bad.

Roy
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 1:04 PM (Merged)
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So you think that the new sensor I put was just bad?
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